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COMMENTARY · 2nd December 2012
Merv Ritchie
The following news release states ” During the incident, the male lost control of the motorcycle and struck an RCMP vehicle. “

This even prior to the investigation beginning. The statement was made obviously from someone at the scene prior to the investigators arrival. The question must be asked, how can a conclusion, such as this, be made prior to the “Independent Investigations Office” arrival at the location. Maybe another theory was the RCMP vehicle swerved or another misdirected the motorcyclist into the path. Do we not need an investigation before statements of fact are declared?

IIO team deployed to motor vehicle incident in Campbell River

Independent Investigations Office

The Independent Investigations Office (IIO) confirms that a team of investigators has been deployed to a motor vehicle incident.

At approximately 2:05 a.m. on December 2, 2012, Campbell River RCMP attempted to stop a male who was allegedly operating a motorcycle without a safety helmet, at a high rate of speed. During the incident, the male lost control of the motorcycle and struck an RCMP vehicle. (Ed. our emphasis)He sustained serious injuries and was transported to hospital, where he is currently receiving treatment.

The IIO was notified at 2:55 a.m. Five IIO investigators have been deployed. Upon their arrival, they will meet with the designated RCMP liaison officer and conduct preliminary investigative activities. The Campbell River RCMP will conduct a concurrent investigation into the actions of the motorcycle operator.

The IIO and the Campbell River RCMP will work within the terms agreed upon in the Memorandum of Understanding that was signed by the Chief Civilian Director and B.C.'s police services in July, 2012.

As set by the Chief Civilian Director, the IIO's goals are to conduct fair, unbiased, timely, thorough and competent investigations and ensure transparency through public reporting.

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Comment by Merv Ritchie on 3rd December 2012
The statement - "During the incident, the male lost control of the motorcycle and struck an RCMP vehicle." - is a statement of fact, a conclusion of sorts. Only after an investigation can this be determined as a fact.

Allegedly - without a safety helmet and at a high rate of speed. so far so good, then, the statement of fact, he lost control of his motorcycle. And this may likely be true, but this release, as you now properly understand it to be, is not the place to make that statement.

This is not a conspiracy and do not attempt to discredit a discussion by such charges. It was an erroneous statement for the IIO to make.

So to repeat the words you have used, "How about waiting until the investigation is complete and then" - make statements of fact?

Yes, and this should determine how and why and if it happened as the RCMP claim.

And further it is our duty and role to ask questions. Only in places like China are decent law abiding citizens forbidden to ask questions of the authorities/police. Lets not start down that path too soon, we will belong to China soon enough.
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Comment by Mike on 3rd December 2012
Alright, so its a news release from the IIO. The second paragraph reads like a RCMP News Release.
I still don't see why you are saying they have reached a conclusion when they have not. So far it appears to be a statement of what was reported to have happened at the scene and both the IIO and the CR RCMP will be conducting concurrent investigations. The only statement here is that a male lost control of a motorcycle and struck an RCMP vehicle. How and or why it happened is what the investigation is supposed to determine. There is no guilt or charges assigned here so no conspiracy theories please. How about waiting until the investigation is complete and then ask the questions?
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Comment by Merv Ritchie on 3rd December 2012
You are completely inaccurate. This was not a news release from the Campbell River RCMP. It was a news release by the IIO. Where they state allegedly, they are repeating a statement delivered to them. And they repeat that statement with the correct lead-in 'allegedly'. But where they state the operator lost control, they do not state 'allegedly', they present this as a statement of fact.

Again, this is not an RCMP report, it is a news release by a supposedly independent investigations office.

And yes, it does not state it is final, it states they were on their way to the scene to begin their investigations.

We stand by our claim this demonstrates the office has per-determined an outcome. After making such a claim, how can they now reverse their statement and say the driver was in full control until an RCMP cruiser swerved in front of him, whereby he impacted the passenger side of the cruiser?

Not that this is what happened but how does the IIO know that before they even begin?

There are two separate statements made here. One is preceded by allegedly and the other is not. Splitting hairs maybe, but as this is a new office, designed after people like Ian Bush got shot in the back of the head and various other RCMP initiated deaths of British Columbians, this office has a responsibility to ensure their statements are accurate and not demonstrative of pre-accepting the RCMP explanations.
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Comment by Mike on 3rd December 2012
Nowhere in the RCMP report does it say that the conclusion is final and in fact says the the "male who was allegedly operating a motorcyle at a high rate of speed. The statement is the report filed by the Campbell River RCMP and so far only what the involved RCMP saw. The IIO further states that the investigators have been deployed and are investigating. So i don't understand why you are saying that they have made their conclusions when under your statement is states that the investigation hasn't even begun yet which I would think, says that there are no conclusions so far, but only a statement of observation.