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COMMENTARY · 13th March 2013
Merv Ritchie
UPDATE - As the gathering of pedophiles selected a successor to lead, every news channel and most TV stations have interrupted their regular programming to tune in. This reveals we as a society are sick, doomed and not worthy of the respect of Jesus or of any God or supreme entity.
I am sick and tired of hearing commentators on all news channels talking about when “WE” will have a new Pope, or when “OUR” new Pope will be selected.

They are talking about the selection of the leader of a cult which protects pedophiles and sexual deviants, those who should be, if not executed, at least jailed to keep children safe across the globe.

I am personally offended and insulted that these media people have the audacity to include all western peoples as being part of their news reports; news reports they seem to believe relate to something everyone watching is even slightly interested in. Most of us are sick such that we want to vomit.

When Scientology has an event the media does not refer to all peoples as belonging.

This cult of followers is no different than the Jimmy Jones cult. People who blindly accept horrendous activities and willing do what ever the leaders tell them to do.

Since 300 AD this church has been corrupting society with falsehoods.

First the leadership ordered all writings regarding Jesus Christ be burned and they executed many who continued to honor Jesus. Then they, through Constantine, wrote a whole new book which suited their purposes.

Then throughout the centuries they burned people alive, hung people from trees and brutalized civilizations all in the name of their false saints and idols, which Jesus and the Old Testament spoke specifically against.

“WE” will never have a new Pope. Only those who are guilty of complicity allowing this outrage against humanity to continue, this assault on everything decent, will have a new immoral leader for their disgusting abhorrent cult.

Catholics be damned, don’t include the decent among us in your filthy crime!
The story behind this non story
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 15th March 2013
This article has one of the highest comment counts with the lowest number of views of any story on this site. The RCMP news releases get more views.

Currently, at the time of this writing, the story has 68 comments and only 1500 views. Those who comment frequently always come back to read the replies. So we can safely assume each person who commented returned to the story at least 10 times, some have returned over 50 times. If we take the very low estimate of ten returns this would mean at a maximum this story has attracted the attention of no more than 150 people; more likely far less than 100. Maybe only 50.

On the other hand stories with no comments at all receive upwards and over 5000 reads each.

The story here, if there is one, is very few people care about the Catholic Church and the Pope. Those who return to defend the church can safely be lumped together with the axiom, “We think the man protests too much”. Like the cheating spouse who accuses his or her partner, we must ask ourselves seriously why such a rabid defense of the Church by such a select few people?

And now we have closed the comments.
Dearest Curious - It isn't close enough for me
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 15th March 2013
I love you and all people. I practice what I preach. I have great compassion which comes from understanding. I understand why and how people come to their faith. I might not like it, the methods cruel people use to impress and use young developing, or vulnerable minds, but I have compassion for the person. And I respect them for their devotion to an idea, the concept of a loving God. And I absolutely love them for being the loving creatures of God. But I am disgusted by the support, they allow their devotion to the Catholic Church, to facilitate the continued suffering of children.

If the Catholic Church emptied their vaults of all the information we could all grow and then through truth, we could achieve real reconciliation and healing.

Please don't use your thesaurous to twist words and meanings like a court room lawyer
my letter to the STEVE
Comment by david on 15th March 2013
Dear Steve I'm so tired of C.B.C promoting pedophiles of planet earth or POPE if you want to call it that. They already make the news about once a month for molesting children, I think that's plenty of coverage. Anyone who feels the same please complain to C.B.C. It's one thing if loony networks like Fox do it, but my tax dollars don't pay for Fox. If they feel they must cover this because it's news they should offer equal time to every other so called religion (who wouldn't prefer Tom Cruise to Benedict), or have a disclaimer saying, "These guys are a bunch of old pedophiles keep your children well away."
I am &c. david
I am not curious at all.
Comment by Janice Robinson on 15th March 2013
The Vancouver Sun asks readers for money too. Many online entities ask readers for money. Why? Hello?

They say there are over one billion Catholics on Mother Earth. Where are they? They sure aren't filling those pews like they should be, are they?

I can easily count at least one hundred "catholics," that I know, who wouldn't be caught dead at Sunday Mass. Whole families who say they're Catholic (because I guess they were baptized that way, or whatever), but cannot be bothered to set foot in the church.

I have watched Mass performed on TV, and when the camera is turned towards the congregation....the church is nearly empty! Why?
I got my own answers for these questions....I would like to see some introspection by all these enthusiastic Catholic worshippers who purport to be Christians. The worst kind of bully is a religious bully!

I think all these angry Catholics who are wasting their time batting Merv Ritchie around like he is a pinyata could better spend their time and energies trying to fill up their pews with lost Catholic sheep.

And Merv, you should start charging eager readers and commenters for perusing your online pages....just like other online businesses. Your naysayers and online bullies will pay. They cannot seem to stay away.....and, you get nothing for nothing in this world.

A religious person is not necessarily spiritual. True that, my friend says.

Close Enough to Hate for Me
Comment by Just Curious on 15th March 2013
disgust
noun

Definition of DISGUST
a dislike so strong as to cause stomach upset or queasiness

Synonyms aversion, distaste, horror, loathing, nausea, repugnance, repulsion, revulsion

Related Words abhorrence, abomination, antipathy, execration, HATE, HATRED; disapproval, disfavor, disinclination, dislike, disliking, displeasure

On another note, I notice you have a Reader Financial Support Chart and asking for donations. If an individual donation came in from a catholic, would you take it? Also if a local business owner(s) was catholic and paid for advertising on your site, would you turn them away? Just curious.

Last Summer I wrote almost identical words
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 15th March 2013
http://www.terracedaily.ca/show10050a300x300y1z/ CANADIANS_COURTS_AND_RCMP_COULD_LEARN FROM_COLLEGE_FOOTBALL

Outrageous but honest
By Merv Ritchie
23rd July 2012 · I wrote a story not so long ago called "I'm sorry, it must be the punches I took to the head"

Find it in the provocative section, it'll explain much.

I have nothing against any faith, just the uncompromised support of an institution involved in the crimes discussed.

A man who worked for me spouted off some vile hatred against the Indians. I never let him enter my door again. I was in a woman’s truck in the Tim Hortons drive through lineup when she issued a vile slur against another race; I opened the door and got out, never to associate with her again. I quit jobs, refuse to associate with, and adamantly stand for truth and real justice.

Yes I have done many things wrong, and I am also full of forgiveness and compassion where it is deserved and sincere. The Father of the Catholic Church, the Pope, is clearly not deserving, and those who attend his institution deserve our scorn. Their attendance in these institutions of depravity only serve to justify the perverts and deviants. I stand by my words completely, without reservation.

Maybe I'll stand out front with a picket sign next Sunday in an attempt to embarrass those suffering from Cognitive dissonance.

Do good work, serve humanity but never let an institution of such crimes continue as if nothing happened. An apology just doesn't cut it. It must be disembowelled.

I am not attacking anyone personally but I am exposing those who feel it to what they are truly justifying. In their hearts they know, they are simply too involved sometimes to see.

Amazing Grace, listen to the words. Some people sing without thinking. Wretched souls.

And as for Gods plan, I am part of that plan, I am writing too. Am I writing without God? Are my words not devinely inspired? Who's to say, who's to judge? You do not know and nor do I but my outrage at the justification of the deviants as is pure as your defence of the church.

To my last breath I will fight those who damage the innocents. And the Catholic Church is on the top of my list.
Reasons for Anonymity
Comment by maggiejo johnson on 15th March 2013
Retaining anonymity on this site in efforts to express one's views while retaining their level of personal safety and potential discrimination is one thing.

But for one to remain anonymous to feel free to stray away from the topic at hand in efforts to direct personal attacks on a commentator is a true coward - not only in my books...but I am sure with Merv and many readers as well.
You Do Bite Marianne
Comment by Anonymous on 15th March 2013
Now now Marianne you and your ilk do bite.

You want my name so you can use the tools at your disposal.

Those tools as they have always been are used in the form of making one a social pariah as you and your ilk use my name in order to gossip and make my life hell so I am forced to leave the community for standing up to true bullies such as you.

Your other tool is to go to an employer and demand I be fired.

I think my anonymous name works just fine.

It leaves ones like you utterly powerless and stewing in your own hate wanting to know who is behind the mask.

why anonymous
Comment by Marianne Brorup on 15th March 2013
Hi there, "Anonymous":

If you wish me to take your little lecture seriously, please reveal yourself. I don't bite.

And please stop with the word hate.
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 15th March 2013
I do not hate anyone. I am ashamed and disgusted, to be sure. Even the Argentinians are now in an uproar. Like the Catholic rule of the last thousand years, they never protected the meek. They always abused the vulnerable.

So yes, I am embarrased so many of my fellow men and women defend this institution. But hate, never.
Mr. Peters, thank you, you are correct, it wasn’t a waste
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 15th March 2013
I have been an amateur theologian for over 40 years and you actually caused me to go back and re-read many passages. This was a good refresher, so not a complete waste of time.

Like many difficulties with the bible the words have been transcribed, then translated. Then the entire affair is left up to who ever wants to make a case for their own desires, to transliterate the meanings.

In the case of the story of Lot and his wife who escaped Sodom but she turned back, the King James version states she turned into a pillar of salt. That might be a good transcription followed by a good translation but the transliteration might alternatively be the actual usage of the word for salt at the time of the writing. Salt was made by evaporating the water from the seawater leaving behind the salt crystals. Evaporation was the same word for salt. So maybe the proper transliteration was the three angels who God sent vaporized her, as they also destroyed the entire town. Did she turn into a pillar of salt or was she vaporized, which translation sounds more plausible?

At the time of the writing of the monotheistic OT, Babylon, Marduk was the reigning entity. Almost every culture before his time spoke of multiple “Gods”. Even in the very beginning the Elohim is a plural word for God, Ge 1:27 and other carryovers from the original texts escape the editors of the various later manuscripts ie; Ge 6 the flood. “When the sons of Gods saw”? - “The nephilim were on the earth in those days”?

The original writings can be found in the clay tablet records discovered during the last 140 years or so from the ancient site of Akkad. These are determined to have been buried in sand for about 4000 years and could only be deciphered when Napoleons men discovered the Rosetta Stone. The Bibles origin can be read as the Chaldean Genesis or by the opening words of the clay tablet texts, Enuma Elish. This deciphering work correctly describes Genesis in much better detail.

The entire OT is a work describing battles when one does not worship the correct God. It is what Marduk instructed, honor and worship only me, “before me there is no other”. He did this, the time of Moses writings of his words, around 2000 BC, the same time the clay tablets were hidden and buried under sand.

So we get to; Sheol or she'ol. It can be read as either; a Hebrew noun - hollow place; a Hebrew verbs - to be desolate - or also a Hebrew verb- to ask or as an Assyrian verb - to sink. What is required then is a debate on the transliteration, where and when the word was used and in what context. In Isaiah 14:9 - 11 and 38:10 - 13 the OT refers to Shades (Repha'im), as the residents of Sheol. This is why I directed you to the passages I did regarding the Raphites, Men of Anak, the Nephilim, who were on Earth at the time of the flood.

The majority of the direct references to Sheol are direct references to grave sites. In those days graves were tombs where people could go visit the dead. As Jesus did when he raised Lazarus. There is nothing direct as to a Satanic place of Hell in the OT.

It is all a reference to be despised by this monotheistic God. Going to the Valley of the Raphaim was to side with the enemy. I know we could debate this more, but Hell and Satan was a construct of the Catholic Church for fear purposes only.

Here is part of what the Jewish (non- Christian) thinkers debate about Sheol.

Origin of Biblical Concept.

The question arises whether the Biblical concept is borrowed from the Assyrians or is an independent development from elements common to both and found in many primitive religions. Though most of the passages in which mention is made of Sheol or its synonyms are of exilic or post-exilic times, the latter view, according to which the Biblical concept of Sheol represents an independent evolution, is the more probable. It reverts to primitive animistic conceits. With the body in the grave remains connected the soul (as in dreams): the dead buried in family graves continue to have communion (comp. Jer. xxxi. 15). Sheol is practically a family grave on a large scale. Graves were protected by gates and bolts; therefore Sheol was likewise similarly guarded. The separate compartments are devised for the separate clans, septs, and families, national and blood distinctions continuing in effect after death. That Sheol is described as subterranean is but an application of the custom of hewing out of the rocks passages, leading downward, for burial purposes.

Marianne
Comment by Anonymous on 15th March 2013
Where oh where do I begin with you and your sad little comment.

Pride dear lady is a sin so try not to go on about your so called good works as you come across as a twit seeking validation from the mob.

You understand the laws of the universe do you?
What you posted was not factual law. It was a statement of vengeance.

For one who professes to adhere to a religion that says to turn the other cheek...Lady you prove just how full of crap you truly are.

How empty a person you must be and an inferior human to need a crutch such as religion because you are so weak of mind.

Pray to your invisible man and his zombie son dear woman. One as intellectually inferior as you needs these things like a child needs a plush toy to snuggle with to fall asleep at night lest the monsters come from under the bed.
too much time on your hands?
Comment by Marianne Brorup on 15th March 2013
Maggie-Jo, thank you for articulating the sentiments of many.

Merv, you have way too much time on your hands.

I am gobsmacked by your one-tracked aggressive, fanatical, and unilateral hatred for all Catholics. You may call it "facts" but it is landing as attacks. Your advertisers must be thrilled.

I doubt that Catholics are attacking your site (they might have better things to do) but I understand the laws of the Universe and what you give out WILL come back three times over.

Today I will join other good Catholics who volunteer at the old folks home and join with the residents for Mass. I will pray for them, that they are free from persecution by the Terrace Daily for their good works in the community.

Have a good day.
Poor Mr Peters
Comment by Anonymous on 15th March 2013
You have pity huh? lie to others but dont lie to yourself.

Your anger for Merv comes from being shown up numerous times when your ignorance is shown in full force through out the years this site has existed. Especially if the article had anything to do with first nations people.

Like a shark who sees blood in the water your true purpose is to feed on someone who you see as wounded. It is you I pity.

You are so inferior it must eat at you so much as you try in vain to show up a man who is by far superior to one like you and you fail again and again which is why you are compelled to return to this site not as you state for amusement but to try and one up Merv.

You fail Peters.








Not wasting your time.
Comment by Mr. Peters on 15th March 2013
I was not wasting your time, you just do not understand that the western concept of hell has no relation to the biblical description of hell. Sheol and Rephaim have nothing to do with each other. The western concept of hell gets its inspiration from Dante's Inferno, which is the first part of a 14th century epic poem Divine Comedy.

I feel nothing but pity for you. I cannot imagine hating anything as much as you seem to hate the Catholic church. The funny part is I am not even Catholic. Anyone with that much hate is incapable of love and that is truly sad.
If God was here he'd tell you to your face. . .
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 15th March 2013
Yes, standing against the accepted norm is a dangerous thing to do, but it is what must be done if we are to correct the problems the world is facing. Just because everyone is doing something does not make it right. In fact every second, right now today, one child dies (every second) because 2,2 billion people (your christian figure) do not do what is right and compassionate.

There are many Christian principles Christians do not practice, but it is not Christians this article is addressing, it is about people supporting a pedophilia, child abusing organization. As I stated earlier, if a major bank was exposed for having a large number of high executives abusing and abducting children, being responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands, would you bank there?

The song you quote continues like this;
"If God was here he'd tell you to your face, Man, you're some kinda sinner"
Long Haired Freaky People
Comment by Anonymous on 15th March 2013
How very christian of the one of 1.1 billion guy to gloat over numbers of followers.

Justin Bieber has over 35 million twitter followers.

By your logic then the catholics should have elected Bieber pope since numbers matter more than your own so called principles.

Speaking of long haired freaky people didnt Jesus himself have a beard and very long hair and turned water into wine. Sounds pretty freaky to me.

1.1 billion people support a cult that revolves around a zombie which is fitting because they themselves are as mindless as one.
Signs...
Comment by One of 1.1 Billion on 15th March 2013
Hi Merv…have you ever heard the song ‘Signs’(I know you must have) it has a verse that says…’long haired freaky people…need not apply’... That’s just my opinion on you and your qualifications on giving your opinion on the catholic church and their people. Approximately 2.2 billion people consider themselves Christian. That makes Christians the largest religion in the world by far.

Just over half of those Christians, or about 1.1 billion, are Roman Catholic. That makes Roman Catholics, by an overwhelming margin, the largest “denomination” of any religion on the planet earth. (Not sure which planet you are from though). No other Christian “denomination” comes anywhere close to comparing.

So that means there are 1.1 billion people in this world you are disgusted with Merv, and I have to say, out of those 1.1 billion people, my guess is they don’t give a damn what the long haired freaky person thinks.
Lost Mr Peters - you didn't even try
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 14th March 2013
I took the time to read every reference you listed. And let me say it was time consuming.

They all referred to a grave site, the death of someone or in a song by moses describing the earth opening up and swallowing those who worshipped an idol like the catholics do.

None were of anything even close to any Hell description. Please do not make me waste my time like this again. If you have something even close, please provide it accurately.

I provided you with direct references to Anak's. Nephilim, men of reknown, those directly related to your first attempt to draw a reference to hell. Rephaim are the only thing close with any reference to Sheol and all the references I provided were from serious long term research, not a quick google search for the word grave.

It did not take me long to realize you were wasting my time.

Come on, I know you can do better than copy and paste a list of nonsence. Hell has nothing to do with the grave site of Jabobs son or the demand by someone to not let someone go to their grave in peace.

You just wasted 2 hours of my life with your game.

Please, I have respect for you an your position, at least have the decency of respecting me.

Don't be like a catholic priest and do me up the backside again kay?


Thank you Merve. Thank you Commentators.
Comment by maggiejo johnson on 14th March 2013
First of all I would like to thank Merv for allowing us the opportunity to dialogue together on this very hot topic. I sincerely respect his drive to seek out and bring to light all those who cause harm, and I do respect him for that - hands down!

However, my respect for him has indeed been tarnished when he broadbrushes religions/Institutions/Gov'ts/fellow journalists and people who do not agree with him or his personal mandates; while promoting hatred and intolerance to those who tend not to be in agreement with him - even responding to their comments with direct attacks. But heaven forbid he gets it back, heh? I concur that we need to hold our 'leaders' in higher standard. This includes Merv in his position as editor of this online site.

For Name "withheld for obvious reasons" - why? There were Catholics who put their good names on this commenting line knowing darn well that the intolerance and hatred Merv has publicized about ALL Catholics in general may cause some problems in their workplaces and community after this article hit the Internet, as they are...well...Catholic.

And now Merv is citing the ol' chicken little exclamations of HELP HELP! See what I warned you about - "The Catholics are on a rampage, calling all their people and attacking us everywhere possible." line. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?!?!? Fer real?!?!

Sure enuf...another comment comes up after he published that...that Catholics can be compared to thugs to silence people and that anti-Catholics now have to fear for their lives. Uh...rather the other way around! Oh Merv. What have you done?!

He can dish it out but can't take responses back?! And then while being backed into a corner knowing he could darn well be charged with Hate Speech (yes people...read the Laws of our Home and Native Land. He crossed that line right into Hate Speech land)...he is now insinuating that Catholics should act like Jesus and have compassion and understanding?!

Okay.

Am I the only one who is TOTALLY confused here?! He hates the Catholic Faith and all who support it AND publicizes that on the Internet - again..insinuating that decent folk should not share company with Catholics or they are as guilty as the Catholics themselves. But when he's in a corner...he quickly accuses Catholics of fighting back by saying they are directly attacking him and should start acting like Jesus who hosted love and compassion?! Eiy yi yi.... My poor wee brain. I'm having a real hard time processing this reasoning with this 'all over the map' reasoning. And we know what this all means. As soon as he quotes 'direct attacks' (not like he didn't start it)...the commenting site will be shut down when he feels uncomfortable.

Oh well.

OH! And remember the Lance Armstrong Story? DAMN ALL cyclists and DAMN all their sponsors! And DAMN all NATIVE CHIEFS who cheat their people and ALL natives for not ratting them out. And DAMN all Gov't Officials and all their followers who don't rat out their leaders. And DAMN and DAMN and DAMN! (Get my sarcasmed drift here?) Good heavens. There's not gonna be many people left if we DAMN them all.

Again...thank you to all who contributed in commentary style. It was very eye-opening.

simple solution
Comment by the fsm on 14th March 2013
If you all want so badly for Merv to see things from your perspective, why not just pray for it to happen, unless this is all part of gods plan and asking him/her to alter that plan would imply a mistake was made.
in agreement
Comment by Catherine on 14th March 2013
I am in total agreement with Merv and "withheld for obvious reasons".

We should hold all leaders to higher standards as leadership demands setting an example! If we are to be spiritually guided then we should also expect the Church & it's employees to follow it's own advice - otherwise it's do as I say and not as I do!




You Lost me.
Comment by Mr. Peters on 14th March 2013
I am very familiar with the Nephilim, but what does the have to do with Sheol? To save you some time I have included a copy of all the references to Sheol in the O.T.


Genesis 37:35
Genesis 42:38
Genesis 44:29
Genesis 44:31
Numbers 16:30
Numbers 16:33
Deut. 32:22
1 Samuel 2:6
2 Samuel 22:6
1 Kings 2:6
1 Kings 2:9
Job 7:9
Job 11:8
Job 14:13
Job 17:13
Job 17:16
Job 21:13
Job 24:19
Job 26:6
Psalm 6:5
Psalm 9:17
Psalm 16:10
Psalm 18:5
Psalm 30:3
Psalm 31:17
Psalm 49:14-15
Psalm 55:15
Psalm 86:13
Psalm 88:3
Psalm 89:48
Psalm 116:3
Psalm 139:8
Psalm 141:7
Proverbs 1:12
Proverbs 5:5
Proverbs 7:27
Proverbs 9:18
Proverbs 15:11
Proverbs 15:24
Proverbs 23:14
Proverbs 27:20
Proverbs 30:16
Eccles. 9:10
Song 8:6
Isaiah 5:14
Isaiah 14:9
Isaiah 14:11
Isaiah 14:15
Isaiah 28:15
Isaiah 28:18
Isaiah 38:10
Isaiah 38:18
Isaiah 57:9
Ezekiel 31:15-17
Ezekiel 32:21
Ezekiel 32:27
Hosea 13:14
Amos 9:2
Jonah 2:2
Habakkuk 2:5

It is true that the concept of hell has changed greatly from O.T. times, but they are hardly an invention by Constantine.
fix y0ur site
Comment by mbw on 14th March 2013
Can you get your IT dept to please fix your site? It's all messed up, intermittently, links broken.

And some irritating sidebar keeps popping in from the left to say you've had a billion+ threats blocked. Somehow I got the feeling the Pope is too busy for that
Now the Terracedaily has really done it...
Comment by Afraid.... on 14th March 2013
I have seen the Terracedaily be confronted by Bikers, RCMP, Drug Dealers, Corrupt families from the rez and have always worried about them and their families safety.

But now it is time to really worry. There is nothing more fearful in this free world than a congregation of mad Christians, Catholics....etc.

The Terrace daily and their friends and family will have to live in fear and always be watching their back now...these people are like a cult of gangsters, they will put you on a hit list within their long list of devoted followers and will stop at nothing to silence anyone that criticizes their peaceful, loving and forgiving god!

It confirms a new meaning of "Put the fear of God into You"

BTW what happened to your Advertising Ads since this post?

May the creator have mercy on us all!
The only thing that is happening is direct attacks
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 14th March 2013
Can many read the site properly? No, The Catholics are now on a rampage, calling all their people and attacking us everywhere possible.

Oh Joy.

Love that compassion and understanding

Real Jesus like!
website
Comment by alan on 14th March 2013
Any other Merv protesters being excluded from Terrace Daily website?

What do you mean Alan? Not even the anonymous are being excluded from this raging conversation.
I think what Merv is trying to say...
Comment by withheld for obvious reasons on 14th March 2013
Is not that he hates all catholics, but that one has to question why this religion does not stand up against the institution part of it that clearly has been covering up a lot of criminal activity.

If he's not allowed to say that without offending people then there is something wrong. It's almost as if everyone is trying so hard to defend themselves and prove a point to Merv to protect their own sanity regarding the disturbing activity that the cult side of things represents.

How these people can continue to rejoice over having new leaders and be so sad that the last pope is gone, is beyond me.

Why not practice your spirituality on your own, rather than worship in large groups and by doing so group yourself into an organization?

I am not religious and do not believe in God, however at one point in my life I did believe. When I was a believer, I did not discuss my views with anyone, kept it to myself and didn't participate in any sort of group worships or churches.

I simply felt better knowing that there may be someone out there looking out for me. Now that I am older, I realize why I was always so sceptical of the religion that I somehow belonged to on whatever level. I now realize that I don't need someone "looking out for me" or rather "watching and judging what I do".

Love yourself, love others and ask questions. That is how I live now. I don't need a church to back me on that. Or a bible. If you're human enough to know what is right and what is wrong, then you shouldn't need any backing or need to prove that to anyone with a title.

As I got older, I also realized that despite how much I wanted the power of prayer to fix all of my selfish problems, that there are WAY more important things in this world that would need the attention of a higher purpose. Still, whenever my parents pray for me when I attend a job interview, take a test, etc etc other meaningless activity to the rest of the world, I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomache.

That most catholics will look out for their own who are already well equipped in life and have a good chance, than to take in an orphaned child, donate money to charity, basically live like "Jesus" would. It makes me sad.

Don't even get me started on what is taught in Catholic elementary schools. Kids are taught that they are above others and the more they give praise, the better their lives will be.

Teachers look down on kids who come to school and show that they have minds of their own, who ask questions. They are condemned for instinctively questioning the absurd tales they are taught from the bible. Isolated, and publicly humiliated .

Obviously my writing skills are not the best here but that isn't important to what I am trying to say.
Welcome to theology 101, Ms. Brorup and Mr. Peters
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 14th March 2013
Yes, 40 years of study brought me to this day.

Mr. Peters;

Sheol, as you reference, was not Hell but was referred to as the "Rephaim". This has been one of the main difficulties with the old testament, King James or not.

In Genesis, after the Gods created Man and woman in their image, we had a flood. Chapter 6:4. That was a time the Nephilim were upon the Earth. These Nephilim were men of reknown; giants, mighty men. They were also called Rephaites, Emites, Zuzites. They were apparently decendents of Anak and the Ammonites called them Zamzummites (Deu 2:20).

Here let me provide you with direction, if you really are interested in learning.

Start with Ge 6:4 then Ge 14:5; Nu 15:33; Du 2:20, Du 3:11, Du 9:2, Jos 11:21, Jos 14:15 and 15:14, all of Jos 16, 17 and 18, Sam 21:15 - 22 (also look at the David and Goliath Story in reference to this Sam 17), and finally Ch 20:6.

All of these speak to entities of men of reknown, giants, not humans as we know them. This has nothing to do with Hell. Hell was a Catholic, Constantine invention. Again there is no reference to Hell in the OT. Many writers attempt to twist the writings, but follow all the references and you will see where they go off track. No Hell, No where.


And dear Ms Brorup;

You of course know nothing about me except what you have experienced, or learned about me, since I arrived in Terrace in 2006. I am anything but what you think. I have no poisoned pen, but it is nice to see you borrow slanderous, libelous language, that which was used by the Kitsumkalum Treaty Team. Nor is my writing vitriolic or hatred. I state facts and these facts are accompanied by disgust at those supporting sexual abuse purveyors.

If, say perchance, the head of the CIBC and the senior executives were all exposed for abusing, abducting, sodomizing and historically causing the deaths of thousands of kids, would you bank there?

As for good works? I have spent the last five years of my life devoting every last dime to assisting the indigenous people who have been traumatized by the Church you support. I pay for flights, hotel rooms, assist in meetings and gatherings, provide free publicity and every other possible thing I can to undo the damage your church has caused.

I build community for those who believe in decency, dignity, respect, compassion. Their ancestry is based on a matrilineal, matriarchal indigenous culture and are right here, Damelahamid in Northwest BC, the oldest continuous culture known to man. They are arguably the most harmonious people in existence known to man. And the church you support tried to destroy it over the past 400 years.

I devote every fiber of my being in an attempt to undo what your church has perpetrated.

As I said, those who support this church are despicable.
i am a Catholic; in case of emergency please don't call merv
Comment by Marianne Brorup on 14th March 2013
Wow Merv. I didn't know you were a historian and a theologian.

It seems your only weapon is a poisoned pen. It's positively vitriolic. How does that feel?

Instead of spewing hatred you could listen to whoever suggested you go do some good in the community: volunteer at the men's shelter or soup kitchen, pick up garbage, shovel a senior's driveway, visit the sick, donate fresh produce to a single mom, become a Big Brother (no wait, that might not be a good idea).

Perhaps you think you haven't tarred all Catholics and by association, all other Christian denominations, with the same brush you are smearing over its clergy. Nnevertheless that's the general perception. It doesn't exactly build community.

R. Earl articulates my sentiment about your behaviour very well. And say what you will, I find it sad.



They are popeless no more....
Comment by Janice Robinson on 14th March 2013
I am happy for them. Perhaps they felt like orphans during a couple of weeks of popelessness....who knows. I am happy Mr. Peters and Mrs. Weston (or Brorup....whatever) are comforted by the continuity of their religion again being popeful. Any bit of happiness experienced by these two make me hopeful for cranky people of all religions.

By the way, I believe the crime of active pedophilia is akin to murder! Sometimes their victims take a couple of decades to die. Innumerable murders have been committed by sly sex offenders in priestly costumes. Only a handful have been brought to justice. What a sin.

Forgiveness? Ask for it first....
I LUV CATHOLICS
Comment by maggiejo johnson on 14th March 2013
When I'm walking around town with the "I (heart) Catholics" tee shirt...please don't throw stones at me or spit in my face or drag me out into the town square to be branded with a letter. Although...being escorted outta town by the townsfolk would be kinda fun. I recall someone saying that if you're being driven outta town by the residents...just have fun with it and pretend you're leading a parade!
Merv you are wrong, again.
Comment by Mr. Peters on 14th March 2013
"There is not one single reference to hell in the old testament.

It was a Constantine creation in the New Testamant created and paid for, for the Catholics, to keep your in fear."

In the Old Testament, the word that is generally translated, and most closely equates with our English word hell, is the Hebrew word "Sheol". However, there is disagreement about the nature of Sheol in the Old Testament, and how closely it matches our popular conceptions of hell. By looking at Sheol in its original context, we can begin to arrive at a more complete understanding of it, and how it relates to biblical hell.

Sheol is more complex in its meaning and usage than the common religious concept of hell. This is why in the King James it is translated 31 times as hell, but also as grave 31 times, and as pit 3 times. The various usages and contexts of Sheol have created debate as to what the real and original meaning of the word is. It is fair to say that Sheol is a dynamic word with many possible usages and contexts.

Despite Sheol's varying usages and contexts, there is a basic and root meaning of the word. It's clear that the correct interpretation of the word is the name for a hell-like place or underworld. Sheol cannot be scripturally constructed to mean only a state of mind, or to represent an abstract concept such as death or chaos. Even though it is associated with the ground, it cannot be understood as simply a grave or literal pit. You would not dig a Sheol, because it is a realm of departed spirits.

Could we please just stay with the facts and not make wild accusation. Constantine is guilty of many things but not this. You still have not answered my assertion that the New Testament was not altered by Constantine.
Is this Canada in the 21st Century?
Comment by R Earl on 14th March 2013
I remember as a child that we had a rain barrel by the side of the house. I liked to look at it during our hot summer days and to swish my hands back and forth in the cool clear water that it contained. One day I decided to stir the broken end of a hockey stick around in the water. Imagine my horror when the stinking decayed body of a skunk that had somehow died in that barrel, came floating to the surface and lay glistening in a film of many colours. I had not thought to repeat that shock, and indeed I have not, until reading this article, that is. It was bad enough that you vomit up such hate Merv, in this day and age, but your repeated attempts to justify yourself and to continue to generalize your hatred, blackening the reputation of a whole group is quite simply shameful. I would go further and say that it is criminal. We are all human and as everyone is sadly aware, humans are very complex creatures, creatures that are capable of the heights of nobility and selfless generosity, and the depths of depravity. It is a great sin though, to generalize, to hold the whole group guilty of the sins perpetrated by a few. There is not one group in this world, not one, that has not seen a few of their group do terrible things. Using your logic the whole of humanity is guilty. Obviously this is not true. Merv, I offer free advice. Stop printing self righteous replies to the comments in this article. In doing so you are simply digging a deeper hole for yourself, and, I am sorry to say, revealing yourself for what you truly are
Mr. Peters, it appears you just want to rant
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 14th March 2013
It is what you attempted to accuse me of yet you jump on anything anyone else raises to write a few hundred word rambling tirade (call it a rant) without focussing on a single issue one can easily address.

When you have challenged me on specific concerns, I answer. Clearly and concisely.

This last answer regarding Hitler, you only address Hitler. It was someone else's debate, but you entered.

Why do you not adddress Hitlers followers too? They all blindly followed just like all "Good Catholics" as your Priest demanded you be, here on this forum. More fear tactics - "Remember to be a good Catholic" Or I will damn you to hell?

There is not one single reference to hell in the old testament.

It was a Constantine creation in the New Testamant created and paid for, for the Catholics, to keep your in fear.

Please follow logic and a consistant train of thought Mr. Peters
If you want pedophiles protected
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 14th March 2013
Your church is the symbol for pedophilia. It is the internationally recognized icon for persecution. It is the single worst compilation of abuse inflictors the world has ever encountered.

If you want to change things, it will not be easy.

You must abandon the Catholic Church and stand in unity with those who demand the entire institution expose their records for the world to examine.

Their millions of pages of historical documents back to the fall of Rome buried beneath their empire of filth and degradation.

Your protection of such an institution, one that thrives on the destitution of all humanity, is why we as a people struggle.

We need your help to protect all women and children. The Catholic Church is behind almost all harm to humanity.

Be brave, be proud, stand up for what you know is true.
Really ?
Comment by Mr. Peters on 14th March 2013
There is no question that Hitler was a Nazi. Nazism was clearly his most important religious affiliation, not in the positive way the word "religion" is often defined, but in the general sense that any philosophy or belief system which is most important in a person's life is that person's "religion," regardless of whether or not it is universally labelled as a "religion." Hitler was also born into a Catholic family, but he rejected Catholicism and in most ways he rejected Christianity in general. On occasion we have read people claim that "Hitler was a Catholic" or "Hitler was a Christian" in a meaningful way, implying that Christianity or Catholicism was the primary impetus for his Nazi reign. Such claims are simply vitriolic attacks occasionally voiced by ideologically-inclined anti-Christian, anti-Semitic or pro-Nazi people. Historians agree that Hitler was pointedly anti-Christian. We are not aware of any published sources from acknowledged academic historians or writers that identify Adolf Hitler as significantly Catholic or Christian in his motivations as an adult.

By 1937, Pope Pius XI denounced the Nazis for waging "a war of extermination" against the church... Catholic priests found police snatching sermons out of their hands, often in mid-reading

...the notion that the church either gave birth to Hitler or walked hand-in-hand with him as a partner is, simply, slander. Hitler himself knew better. "One is either a Christian or a German," he said. "You can't be both."

Is this the best you have?
Hitler and gang were trained by Catholics, you are confused
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 14th March 2013
I do not understand why you insist I do all your research for you, but as I am capable, it is my duty as a compassionate human citizen.

• Adolf Hitler (Roman Catholic) : There is so much to be said about the Fuëhrer's Catholicism there is an entire web page devoted to it at CatholicArrogance.Org/Catholic/Hitlersfaith.html.

• Fritz Thyssen (Roman Catholic) , the most important single financial and industrial supporter of Adolf Hitler from 1924 through 1939. In 1941 he had a part in writing a book about his financing of the Nazis called, "I paid Hitler". In 1940, he had written an important article in the Swiss Arbeiterzeitung entitled, "Pius XII, As Nuncio, Brought Hitler to Power." Thyssen's American banking partners, George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush, who had been helping to finance Hitler's rise to power since 1924 continued to do so for another three years, until the U.S. government closed them down for "supporting the enemy" in 1942. (See www.JesusNoRepublican.Org/about/bushfamily.html )

• Heinrich Himmler (Roman Catholic) was born October 7, 1900, as the son of a secondary school instructor and strict Roman Catholic. This mass murderer was brought up like young Hitler, as a devout Roman Catholic, and was careful to attend mass regularly.
"A man often seen as the very personification of evil. Heinrich Himmler was not only head of Hitler's SS police, but was also in charge of the death camps in the East. It was Heinrich Himmler who essentially laid the detailed plans for the Holocaust. From http://www.auschwitz.dk/Himmler.htm
"Heinrich Himmler, Reichsfuhrer of the SS, Gestapo and German police forces, seemed to be the one most impregnated by clericalism amongst the Catholic members of Hitler's entourage. His father had been director of a Catholic school in Munich, then tutor of Prince Ruprecht of Bavaria. His brother, a Benedictine monk, lived at the monastery of Maria Laach, one of the Pan-German high places.

• Reinhard Heydrich (Roman Catholic) was one of Hitler's most ruthless Nazis and second in importance only to Heinrich Himmler in the Nazi SS organization and the principle planner of the Final Solution. There was even talk of his one day succeeding Adolf Hitler.

• "Heinrich Müller (Roman Catholic) was Reinhard Heydrich's right hand man, and carried on with his boss's diabolical work after Heydrich was assassinated.

• "Reinhard Gehlen (Roman Catholic) was Hitler's Chief of Intelligence. Gehlen was a devoutly Roman Catholic member of the Knights of Malta, a Vatican military order.

• Franz Von Papen (Roman Catholic) had headed the powerful Catholic "Center Party" and been a close friend of Pope Pius XII from the time that he had been the Papal Nuncio to Germany. Were it not for Papen, President Von Hindenburg might never have been persuaded to make Adolf Hitler Chancellor of Germany. He beame Hitler's first Vice-Chancellor and the Catholic statesman who negotiated the infamous Cordordat of 1933 on behalf of the Nazi government. He declared, "The third Reich is the first power which not only recognizes, but puts into practice the principles of the papacy."

• Klaus Barbie (Roman Catholic) , called the "Butcher of Lyon" because of his role as chief of the Nazi Gestapo in Lyon, France during the worst period of the Holocaust, 1942-1944. As a young man he was so pious that he planned to studytheology. During his trial he was still pious enough to proclaim "When I stand before the throne of God I shall be judged innocent".

• Julius Streicher (Roman Catholic) was the Rush Limbaugh of Nazi Germany, whose gross anti-semitic mass-produced Der Stürmer influenced the German masses almost as much as his good friends Hitler and Goebbels. He was the product of a very devout Bavarian Catholic family. He was the ninth child of a Roman Catholic primary school teacher, and became a school teacher himself in Nuremberg.

• Rudolf Hoess (or Höss ) (Roman Catholic) was one of history's greatest mass murderers, the architect and SS Commandant of the largest killing center ever created, the death camp Auschwitz, whose name has come to symbolize humanity's ultimate descent into evil. Responsible for exterminating 2,5 million people in World War II, he was a mild-mannered, happily married Catholic who enjoyed normal family life with his five children.
Just some interesting quotes.
Comment by Helmut Giesbrecht on 14th March 2013
“If the church is to survive as a place where head and heart are equal partners in faith, then we will need to commit ourselves once again not to the worship of Christ, but to the imitation of Jesus. His invitation was not to believe, but to follow. (p. 145)”
― Robin R. Meyers, Saving Jesus from the Church: How to Stop Worshiping Christ and Start Following Jesus

"Consider it: every person you have ever met, every person will suffer the loss of his friends and family. All are going to lose everything they love in this world. Why would one want to be anything but kind to them in the meantime?”
― Sam Harris, The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason

“It is time we admitted, from kings and presidents on down, that there is no evidence that any of our books was authored by the Creator of the universe. The Bible, it seems certain, was the work of sand-strewn men and women who thought the earth was flat and for whom a wheelbarrow would have been a breathtaking example of emerging technology. To rely on such a document as the basis for our worldview-however heroic the efforts of redactors- is to repudiate two thousand years of civilizing insights that the human mind has only just begun to inscribe upon itself through secular politics and scientific culture. We will see that the greatest problem confronting civilization is not merely religious extremism: rather, it is the larger set of cultural and intellectual accommodations we have made to faith itself.”
― Sam Harris, The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason
This is sick.
Comment by Joesph K on 14th March 2013
You and Hitler must have come from the same schools of thinking. I cannot believe that u want us to think your writing is anything but garbage. U spew nothing but hatred.

I am a CATHOLIC and I am Proud of my faith. I too want those pedophiles prosecuted. They have no right to injur or harm innocent children.

It would not surprise me that someone makes a request to have u investigated for hate propaganda. I would classify u with those pedofiles.

Why is your hatred so great towards my church. U have grouped us all as one. Sorry buddy but u don't know me. I volunteer my time and money to those less fortunate. The food bank is one of them. I have helped deliver food baskets to those families that cannot get out. What do u do to make our community a better place.?
Sad is empty commentary Ms. Brorup
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 14th March 2013
There was no mud slinging, unless you believe exposing the crimes of the Catholic is mud slinging. The Catholic Church is an entire identifiable group. We did not call out Christians, just Catholics.

What is disturbing is the intensity of defence of a crime ridden institution. When Enron was exposed the entire organization was brought down, and that was just over finances, not the deaths and sexual perversions of children world wide.

We do not need to hear about your upbringing and no one ever said all Catholics are pedophiles or participated in this abhorrent activity. What was essentially said is your support of such a vile institution is despicable.

And we did not use Wikipedia, but offered it as a suggestion for others. We took the time to pull a few dictionaries off of our shelf and typed out the entries to counter such a claim before it was even made. I thought that was clear.

If you wish to do real good work, disassociate yourself with the institution that discredits the name of Jesus and God.

And if you want to shame anyone, shame those who support an institution which has been behind some of the worst atrocities known to mankind. Don’t shame me for telling the truth, it is all that I am doing.

It does not matter to me if you do not like the truth, it only matters to me that people hear the truth. And to protect our children and the future of society I will yell it from the rooftops, it is my duty as a human citizen.
You sure you want to debate or just rant?
Comment by Mr. Peters on 14th March 2013
Cult: origin Latin 1610 cultus habitation, tilling, refinement, worship. The frustrating part about language is that it is dynamic and constantly changing. The world "cult" today refers to a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society and under the direction of a charismatic leader. Where as the word "religion" is used to describe a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

You equate the actions of some priests to the entire Catholic church and thereby label the entire institution as being child molesters and anyone who worships in a Catholic church as a child molester. This is just bad logic. It is like saying Ford f150's kill people in car crashes therefore all people who drive Ford f150's are guilty of killing people. Those priests who were found to molest children should be held responsible for their actions and charged. But to label the entire church as an institution of child molesters is throwing out the baby with the bath water.

You also raised the issue of the reliability of the New Testament, the Old Testament canon was already set by 300 CA. If you which to disregard the New Testament then you must also disregard the writings by Plato, Aristotle and homer. This is because the New Testament documents are better preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings. Because they are so numerous, they can be cross checked for accuracy and they are very consistent. There are presently 5,685 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament. If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages, bringing up the total support for the New Testament manuscript base to over 24,000.

Almost all biblical scholars agree that the New Testament documents were all written before the close of the first century. If Jesus was crucified in 30 C.A. then that means that the entire New Testament was completed within 70 years. This becomes important because it means there were plenty of people around when the New Testament documents were penned who could have contested the writings as being inaccurate. But, we have absolutely no ancient documents contemporary with the first century that contest the New Testament Texts.

You still sure you want to debate this.
Well that's telling it like it is......
Comment by Jill on 14th March 2013
Amen.....
very sad
Comment by Marianne Brorup on 14th March 2013
it's very sad when a journalist stoops to slinging mud at an entire religious group. Thank you Maggie-Jo and Mr Peters for pointing this out.

Beyond that there is something deeply disturbing about the level of intensity you display, Merv, and how quick you are to paint all us Catholics with one brush. I grew up Catholic, I attended Catholic schools and was educated by Sisters of St Joseph and Jesuit priests until grade 10 when I came to Canada.

Am I the only Catholic who is not a pedophile nor has ever been abused?

There many many good people and organizations working inside our Church to affect change, justice and reconciliation. If you did some real research instead of referring to Wikipedia you might discover who they are. You could even borrow some of their material for your site and broaden your readers' horizons; I am sure they wouldn't mind.

Shame on you for spitting on us all.
And further for Mr Peters in regards to debate
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 14th March 2013
You asked quite rightly,

"If you are going to try and make historical assertions, could you at least have the integrity to make sure that they are at least sort of accurate.

You may also want to look up the difference between religion and cults."


I answered with detailed direct responses to these challenges under two subject lines

'You can use wikipedia too if you wish'

and also the next detailed and complete response

"And what part was inaccurate"

The appropriate thing would be to first acknowledge the accuracy or challenge these two replies as being wrong and offer a competing claim.

You chose to go on to attack an entirely new subject line, the one where I draw reference to Isaiah.

I enjoy healthy debate, but please stay focused one topic at a time and please at least allow me points when I make them. Can you say; 'sorry, I guess you were right on those two points Merv, but I have another challenge'.

That is called respect for the individual. You might not like my assertions but we must respect each other as people. If we can't we fall victim to the historical failings of man. Love Respect and Compassion. We gain this by practicing them in reverse order.

When you begin with compassion for the individual you can gain respect for their position, then you can learn to love the person.

That will get you much closer to God than listening to a guy associated with abuse standing at the pulpit asking you to call him 'Father'.

Read Isaiah again.
Rules and Hate Speech all Nonsensical
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 14th March 2013
The entire rules addition to this discussion/debate is completely ad hominem. It addresses nothing to counter or add to the discussion at hand. It is what drives the majority of people away from engaging in intelligent debate. It is hollow empty rhetoric without any foundation. Typically all of these are anonymous.

As for the reasonable, though somewhat acrimonious challenge by Mr. Peters, I say ‘Bring it on’. I find the despicable actions identifiably associated with senior, high ranking leaders of the Catholic cult worthy of drawing serious attention to. And I would be more than pleased to go to jail defending the children. On ‘pain of death’ will I continue to rail against this body catholic.

And Mr. Peters, you above all else should be fully aware I am interested in intelligent debate above all else. Triviality and personal attacks are what I despise in particular. I actually demand intelligent debate, which has been at the foundation of our news sites success.

Your last paragraph was primarily a personal attack. I selected paragraphs from one chapter of the good book to draw references to one issue. It is the chapter most often used to promote the belief in Jesus and God. Part of one verse is posted on a large Church billboard as you enter Vernon from Kamloops on Hwy 97 (near the race oval). Isaiah 43: 10 to 13

It was my addition to intelligent debate. To enlighten readers who might be open minded enough to look for themselves. I am open to ‘real’ debate. That is an exchange of countering ideas and arguments not a battle of personal attacks. Please think about this before you attack me again. I do not attack you or insinuate you are a fool.

I am also open to a hate crimes charge. In fact, I would enjoy bringing the intolerance of Terrace to the world stage. Remember, the Terrace City Council still refuses to make proclamations for any group. This is due to their historical stand against homosexuals. It is a court case still used as precedence for demonstrating a community rife with intolerance.

As I said, bring it on. Lets keep this as civil as we can even though it is a sensitive debate. I understand the degree people have invested their lives and social status, psycological well being, into this catholic structure. My intention is to force them to recognize the suffering, world scale, their complicity has inflicted.
Five Rules of Terrace Daily Reporting...
Comment by Mike on 14th March 2013

The Five Rules of Propaganda:

The rule of simplification: reducing all data to a simple confrontation between ‘Good and Bad’, ‘Friend and Foe’.

The rule of disfiguration: discrediting the opposition by crude smears and parodies.

The rule of transfusion: manipulating the consensus values of the target audience for one’s own ends.

The rule of unanimity: presenting one’s viewpoint as if it were the unanimous opinion of all right-thinking people:
draining the doubting individual into agreement by the appeal of star-performers, by social pressure,
and by ‘psychological contagion’.

The rule of orchestration: endlessly repeating the same messages in different variations and combinations.
It is hate speech
Comment by Mr. Peters on 14th March 2013
7 (1) A person must not publish, issue or display, or cause to be published, issued or displayed, any statement, publication, notice, sign, symbol, emblem or other representation that

(a) indicates discrimination or an intention to discriminate against a person or a group or class of persons, or

(b) is likely to expose a person or a group or class of persons to hatred or contempt

Your speech needs only to BE LIKELY to expose a person or group to hatred or contempt, at least that is what the Supreme Court of Canada said.

You are not interested in an intelligent debate about the church, as you simply want to paint everyone with the same brush.

Taking a verse here or there out of context is the worst form of text proofing and does nothing but show your true intelligence. And, if this the height of your debate skills then their is no point. I discovered along time ago to never try and reason with a fool, they simply drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
New Pope
Comment by George Hammer on 13th March 2013
Religion - War - Peace

The reality!

Today witnessing the "White Smoke" the most secretive order in the "Globe". The globe is planet earth. All roads lead to Rome.

Roman Empire!

Amazing history how this "Warrior Domination Christian Crusaders slaughters upon tens of thousands indigenous tribes around the globe.

Including Scottish - Irish!

This was the day and age of " Castles - Queens - Witches. Society "people" were placed into order to follow a religion under one order. With militia (arms such as weapons).

Tax payers had to pay "Church" under the government of Queen who high priests (control world governments). All churches work with all world governments.

As much I believe in the "Lord Jesus Christ". What I learned from this all.

# 1. Jesus would never pay any taxes to Rome.

Just watch in the movie when he says no.

# 2. The last dinner is fish! Jesus loves fish and so many other people.

# 3. Water the holly

The point is. For past 600 years people have been depended on institution that has taken advantage of there faith, heart, minds. When i mean your (mind). The brain inside your skull.

The brain can be easily swayed from words to motivation - movement and power.

With today "New Pope". In respect to all the readers. We must understand one concept education.

Education of not knowing the truth how this all works in our daily lives.

This institution that control education departments across the globe.
Such as; Roman Schools, share holders "Royal Dutch Shell". The list goes on.

We learned this in Grade 11 - 12 Social Studies in Caledonia Secondary Terrace BC.


Nothing has changed accept technology. The global scale age of internet have "Free Education to learn".

The education institute is no longer controlled by one regime from the days "Roman Empire".

All Roads lead to Rome!

Watch this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IrxlZwzlmg

Thank you,

George Hammer

Question
Comment by Anonymous on 13th March 2013
Why is it hate speech when someone says anything critical about the catholic church but it isnt hate speech when the church condemns members of the homosexual community or womens rights i.e abortion.

Is it cause of sheer numbers in members, outright hypocrisy? Do we finally learn that society is in anarchy and no one seems to notice it?
Todays News
Comment by Huffington Post on 13th March 2013
The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles will pay nearly $10 million to settle four cases alleging abuse by a now-defrocked priest who told Cardinal Roger Mahony nearly 30 years ago he had molested children, attorneys confirmed Tuesday.

The cases involving ex-priest Michael Baker span 26 years from 1974 to 2000. Two were set for trial next month. A judge had said attorneys for the plaintiffs could pursue punitive damages at trial.

The cases were settled this week.

Two of the claims named Mahony and alleged he didn't do enough to stop Baker from abusing children, said plaintiff's attorney John Manly.

Mahony retired as Los Angeles archbishop in 2011 and was rebuked by his successor, Archbishop Jose Gomez, last month after confidential church files showed the cardinal worked behind the scenes to shield molesting priests and protect the church from scandal.

Mahony, who is in Rome helping select the next pope, was aware of the settlement, said J. Michael Hennigan, an archdiocese attorney.

"We have for a long, long time said that we made serious mistakes with Michael Baker, and we had always taken the position in these cases that whatever Baker did we were responsible for," he said. "That was never an issue."

Baker could not be reached for comment.

Two of the plaintiffs, a pair of brothers, will get $4 million each, and the two others will get nearly $1 million each, Manly said.




Confidential files show that Baker met with Mahony in 1986 and confessed to molesting two boys over a nearly seven-year period.

Mahony removed Baker from ministry and sent him for psychological treatment, but the priest returned to ministry the following year with a doctor's recommendation that he be defrocked immediately if he spent any time with minors.

Despite several documented instances of being alone with boys, the priest wasn't removed from ministry until 2000 after serving in nine parishes.

Baker was convicted of child molestation in 2007 and paroled in 2011.

Authorities believe Baker may have abused more than 20 children in his 26-year career.

"The person who could have stopped this in its tracks and prevented three out of four of these children from being sexually assaulted is now sitting in Rome voting for the next vicar of Christ," said Manly. "I find that terribly troubling."

Mahony has apologized repeatedly for his handling of clergy abuse cases. The cardinal was sequestered for the papal conclave and could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

The archdiocese settled more than 500 clergy abuse lawsuits in 2007 for a record-breaking $660 million.

Baker was charged in 2002 with 34 counts of molestation involving six victims, but those charges were dismissed because they fell outside the criminal statute of limitations.
This is not hate - and the intentions are good
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 13th March 2013
All through history we have examples of people claiming to not be a part of some malicious corrupt or murderous genocidal actions, it was someone elses fault in their organization. The most blatant and often used is Hitlers SS, the Party members. This is a good example as the Catholic Church also defended Hitler at the time. You support an institution that still defends and protects rapists and sadists. They are still being exposed today. Check out the Australian investigations.

You give them money and support their leaders. How can you say you do not support child molesters?

My intentions are to encourage you to open your eyes. To not be wretchedly blind, but to SEE! That would be real 'Amazing Grace'. To get found! I am not encouraging anyone to do anything but the catholics to think for themselves, to recognize the wrong of their ways. And I will damn anyone, as should you all, who does such horrendous things to children, the innocents.

Read the bible or don't just listen to the guy at the pulpit and repeat after him, 'As with you father'.

There is only one father. There is only one saint. According to the book. It is a must read if one is to state they are a christian.

Isaiah 43: 10 to 13

“You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. I have revealed and saved and proclaimed I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “that I am God. Yes, and from ancient days I am he. *No one can deliver out of my hand.

Followed shortly after by Isaiah 44: 13, 17 and 18

13 The carpenter measures with a line and makes an outline with a marker; he roughs it out with chisels and marks it with compasses. He shapes it in human form, human form in all its glory, that it may dwell in a shrine.
17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, “Save me! You are my god!” They know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand.

And Now Isaiah 49 from 25 and 26

I will contend with those who contend with you, and your children I will save. I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh; they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine. Then all mankind will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior

Well now, doesn't that last bit sound like the holy sacrament? Now you know who the oppressors are!

I cannot continue to debate this with ones who are too blind to see.

Better to pray for guidance I suppose.

And 'good Christians remember' it is not a sin to speak out against a child molesting church - it is a sin to support any institution that continues to allow it and commits the sins in the first place - I will not 'turn the other cheek' and forgive it until it stops
good catholics remember.....
Comment by the fsm on 13th March 2013
judge not,lest ye be judged, turn the other cheek , the meek shall inherit the earth,
Matthew 6:14-15

For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Oh I read the entire article all right...
Comment by maggiejo johnson on 13th March 2013
Oh Merv. Trust me. I read your entire article all right.

I think I'm still struggling with your published comment that "Catholics be damned"- even daring to insinuate that decent folks should not be associated with those who host the Catholic faith.

Comments such as you published this date promote hatred and intolerance; while all the while hiding behind the guise that you are working towards the common good. Really? Did I miss that part?

How many Catholics reading what you have written this date....will be fearful of their personal safety while attending Church this weekend? Will their vehicles be damaged in the parking lot this Sunday? If so...the RCMP finger might be pointed back at you.

What have you accomplished with your rants of anger and hate today? Well...not much on your end other than promoting more hatred, intolerance and division.

Again. Let us all work together to bring abusers to justice - those in ALL churches...those in the sports arenas...those in our own families and those in our neighborhoods. Hatred accomplishes nothing but more hatred. It just feeds off of itself and clouds our mindful reasoning. Surely we are above that to tend to things properly and more productively to bring these abusers to justice.

Maggie, your first response was almost 800 words
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 13th March 2013
And you don't have the decency to read more than the first sentence of my response (less than 350 words), you just jump out and attack after reading the first line? I provided four dictionary references, all from different time periods, the last in a 2003 edition. A cult is a cult is a cult.

There is no definition available anywhere that would declare the Catholic Church is not a cult.

And I provide the references to the origins of the new Testament and the entire falsehood of the religion.

I can accept you cannot handle the truth, but by not reading and comprehending the information freely provided you are not adding to the debate.

Just say, 'I don't care, I will continue to live in my delusion because it is keeps me mentally safe.' or maybe, 'Without this belief structure, I am nothing, so please stop tearing it down.' - That would be honest too.

But Maggie Joe, don't attempt to engage in a reasoned intelligent debate if you cannot contribute something further to enlighten us, or counter the challenges I offer.

By any other word...
Comment by Mr. Peters on 13th March 2013
The BC human rights tribunal describes hate speech as:

7 (1) A person must not publish, issue or display, or cause to be published, issued or displayed, any statement, publication, notice, sign, symbol, emblem or other representation that

(a) indicates discrimination or an intention to discriminate against a person or a group or class of persons, or

(b) is likely to expose a person or a group or class of persons to hatred or contempt

because of the race, colour, ancestry, place of origin, religion, marital status, family status, physical or mental disability, sex, sexual orientation or age of that person or that group or class of persons.

You my friend are guilt of hate speech. Be careful that you do not become that which you say you fight against.
Okay. THAT explains it.
Comment by maggiejo johnson on 13th March 2013
Merv gets his info from a 1936 publication he has found in his home?!? Okay THAT totally explains this all.

Oh! And, as per his challenge...I did google Wikepedia. There is NO mention from Wikepedia that I could find that the Catholic Church is a cult.

Sticks and stones..

Let's just focus on bringing the pedophiles to justice and allow those of true Catholic faith to be able to worship without being stoned on the way to church!
And what part was inaccurate?
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 13th March 2013
From an easy google search, copy and paste;

In regards to Constantine;

According to Professor John Crossan of Biblical Studies at DePaul University the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great (274-337 CE), who was the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity, needed a single canon to be agreed upon by the Christian leaders to help him unify the remains of the Roman Empire. Until this time the various Christian leaders could not decide which books would be considered "holy" and thus "the word of God" and which ones would be excluded and not considered the word of God.

Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action - MONEY! He offered the various Church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Church leaders gathered together at the Council of Nicaea and voted the "word of God" into existence.

And prior to his instructions to compose a new book for money;

More easy google work for a quick copy and paste exercise.


The writings of Christians were suppressed by most of the emperors before Constantine"
1. Nero (54-68)
2. Domitian (81-96)
3. Marcus Aurelius (161-180)
4. Septimius Severus (193-211; up to a point)
5. Maximinius I Thrax (235-8; up to a point)
6. Trajanus Decius (249-251)
7. Valerian (253-260)
8. The "Great Persecution" under Diocletian, Galerius, and Maximinus II Daia (303-313)

Those under Severus, Decius, and Valerian involved massive confiscation of property, and reinstatement of the Roman office of "Censor"!
Comfort:13: "An edict issued at Nicomedia on February 23, 303, enjoined the demolition of churches and the burning of Christian books. This was the first Roman persecution that was designed not only to destroy Christians but to eradicate their sacred text, the New Testament."

The Diocletion persecution was specifically aimed at Christian literature. "The persecution began with a series of edicts against Christians, the first of which, issued in 303, ordered Christian books to be confiscated and burned by imperial agents." This action against Christian books and scriptures "sharply reduced their availability." The result was a widespread scarcity of New Testament manuscripts.
You can try wikipedia too if you wish
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 13th March 2013
But here it is from my collection; which definition does not meet what the catholic church is?

From the oldest Dictionary in my possession – Websters 1936 Fifth Edition;

Cult – Culture/Care/Cultivate – 1. A system of worship of a deity; as, in the cult of Apollo. 2. Hence: a The rites of a religion b Great devotion to some person, idea or thing, esp. such devotion viewed as an intellectual fad. c A sect

From a 2003 printing of Websters by Harper Collins 2003

Cult [kult] n system of religious worship; pursuit of, devotion to,some person, thing, or activity.

From The Oxford paperback Dictionary 1994

Cult noun 1 system of religious worship. 2 devotion to or admiration of a person or thing. 3 (often used as an adjective) fashionable; a cult film.

From Funk and Wagnalls Standard Desk Dictionary 1968

Cult [kult] A system of religious rites and observances. 2. Zealous devotion to a person, ideal, or thing. 3. The object of this devotion. 4. The followers of a cult. [colere to cultivate, worship]


Now you might wish to believe you do not belong to a "Cult" in the pejorative term, but nor do Scientologists or any other person who is blinded by their own dogma. Just because you have this intrinsic need to belong and this cult happens to have the greatest number of your fellow man as a member, does not preclude it from being a cult!

It is quite simply that and is much worse. You are praising this new Pope symbol to the direct opposition of the command of teachings the entire religious order is based upon. Jesus. His direct instructions, according to the teachings, is have no one between yourself and him (God).

Not only do Catholics belong to a cult but they all betray the very entity they claim to have as the foundation of their beliefs.

That still is not as disturbing as these people defending the child rapists and murders who the churches foundation is resting upon.

Invite me to deliver a sermon.

I will accept in a moments notice.

You for real?
Comment by Mr. Peters on 13th March 2013
If you are going to try and make historical assertions, could you at least have the integrity to make sure that they are at least sort of accurate.

You may also want to look up the difference between religion and cults. Just a thought, but that would require some level of integrity and unbiased "journalism".
Oh Oh
Comment by Ralph Bartel on 13th March 2013
I think you may just have stepped into it this time Merv.
Merv's rant not a hate crime
Comment by david dickinson on 13th March 2013
First, I think Merv's column is a great example of negative stereotyping. This is no different than stating that native people in Canada are greatly over-represented in the prison system (an irrefutable fact), therefore all natives are violent criminals. Many Catholic priests were involved in sexual abuse against children (an irrefutable fact), therefore all priests and all people who call themselves Catholic are child molesters or supporters of child molesters.

But this is clearly not a hate crime under provincial legislation or the Criminal Code. (The hated s. 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act has been repealed by the Harper govt, to the rejoice of journalists throughout Canada. Interestingly, the main lobby group behind s 13, the Canadian Jewish Congress, reversed its position and began lobbying it to be removed. Somebody figured out that you could face human rights complaints for saying bad things about Islamist extremists!)

If Merv was urging us to "wake up and take action" against Catholics, that might be another matter. The key is that, in order for it to be hate speech, there has to be a clear intent to urge others to commit acts of violence and the words have to be likely to incite violence. Exaggeration and strong language, no matter how insulting and demeaning, is not hate speech. It's just free speech.

Too bad Douglas Christie is no longer with us. His opinion on this would have been very illuminating.
In response to Earl - HATE CRIMES
Comment by maggiejo johnson on 13th March 2013
Hate speech laws in Canada include provisions in the Criminal Code of Canada, provisions in the Human Rights Act and in other federal legislation, and statutory provisions in each of Canada's ten provinces and three territories. The Criminal Code prohibits "hate propaganda." The Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on various grounds, and forbids the posting of hateful or contemptuous messages on the Internet. Legislation in the provinces and territories prohibits discrimination on the same grounds as Canada's Human Rights Act in matters of provincial or territorial concern such as employment and accommodation.

Hmmmm...interesting, heh?
hah
Comment by anon on 13th March 2013
"He REFUSED to allow an entourage to accompany him to Rome; adding that what they may have spent on airfare/hotels...to give that to the poor instead!"?? Please, tell me how that excuses decades of child abuse.
hmmm
Comment by anon on 13th March 2013
Okay, So I guess the new Pope is okay just as long as he can mingle with the "poor" then. We all know how hard it must be to tolerate the poor...
He must have a lot to prove to have arrived to such a grande position. No different from any other leader with something to hide. What's worse is the weak who seek to have the leader in the first place. Just sayin.
You who defend this vile institution should be ashamed
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 13th March 2013
There is no amount of good work our local chapter of the catholic cult can do to wash the generations of filth from the good christian principles of love, respect and compassion.

Any who stand to defend these sex abuse protectors, this assembly of pedophiles are shameful. What if it was your son or daughter who was abused by a priest or a nun who was transferred here from elsewhere for protection/sanctuary from laws.

I hold my head high. I am disgusted by those who defend this cult of perversion. Look each other in the eye and imagine how your son or daughter would feel if your neighbour defended this group. - this is sick. There is little else to say. I am disgusted by the defense of the indefensible!
Thank You
Comment by small town girl on 13th March 2013
Very well said, I'm also infuriated by this "Our new Pope" bullshit. I can only hope that one day in the future my own children will say "Did they really have Popes when you were younger? ".
Oh yes "WE" will !!!!
Comment by maggiejo johnson on 13th March 2013
And yet...you can't get over the urge to watch and cover the story, hey Merv? You really didn't need to cover this with all your fuming one-sided hatred which is actually quite alarmingly unsettling. We get the news on this elsewhere without the gutwrenching writhing hatred you spew out from your earthly body towards this grande event. You tend to paint every Catholic leader as a pedophile or someone covering up a pedophile; yet if I was to paint the same brush saying that all First Nations can't hold a job, can't keep their kids outta the Foster system...are wife beaters and are all alcoholics...are sucking the life outta our pantries in Food Bank donation style...you would have 'tarred/feathered' me in the town square during a city picnic. No? Kindly be careful with your words of choice.

We host elections and whether we are politically inspired or not..or whether we involve ourselves or not...we become apprised of the election results and we declare "We have a mayor!"....or "We have a Prime Minister!"...or "We have a new President!"...or "WE have a new Secretary Treasurer overlooking charity work in Terrace." Well now? WE have a Pope!

Interestingly enough...the entire WORLD has tuned in (Muslims, Hindus, Protestants...all people of every faith/religion or no faith at all around the entire world. More TV viewing ratings than any Football game, let me tell you that! I'm sure many were gladly giving up their soap operas for the interrupting coverage). No rock star...no Olympic gathering...no other venue hosts such crowds and anticipation as gatherings at the Vatican. Even new Presidents of the U.S. are encouraged to meet face to face with the Pope. The U.S. Government watch on satellite how the crowds gather in Rome. They're not stupid. So close your eyes...don't read my next line...cuz I'm gonna say it:

'WE' have a Pope! Viva Pope Francis the FIRST!

He is a man of great ethic, love of simplicity, love of Community and reform....as well as immense love for the less fortunate. He is man of change. A man of committment. A man of accountability. And for him to stray away a wee bit to take on the Francis name? WOW! He is of the Jesuit order - very spiritual people hosting immense humility and holiness and prayer...and again...an immense love for the suffering.

Pope Francis was the son of a hard working railway worker. He was striving to be a chemist but felt drawn to become a priest. He won most respect when he very publicly blamed capitilism for the collapse of the integrity of repairing the drift between the rich and the poor. He challenged dictators with no fear of losing his life as a result. He lived/breathed/immersed himself physically living in the presence of the poor...and as a result, he retains the 'language of the streets'. Rather than the people coming to him? He went to them - in their poor shanty houses and all. He even refused to live with his colleagues; while renting a modest apartment in the interim and refusing to be motorly tended to; while instead taking public transportation to/from work while chatting/visiting with the public the entire time on his commutes. He spent countless hours in the shanty towns with the poor. He REFUSED to allow an entourage to accompany him to Rome; adding that what they may have spent on airfare/hotels...to give that to the poor instead!

This Pope has a history of 'living on the streets' in common form. I can just see him now:

0230 hrs - peeking out his window to scope out where the guards were while setting up pillows in his bed to make it look like he was fast asleep...while he throws a rope outta his window to sneak out into the darkness of the night to go visit his beloved poor in the community. And then rtning back to unnoticingly scale back up the wall into his bedroom. HA! Yeah. That's the kind of man he is. His first order as new Pope was to re-open up the Pope's disabled TWITTER ACCOUNT! HA!

This has been a great historic event which students in the 'ology' courses can visit whether they agree with the faith or not. Viewing such an historic event = dialogue = discussion = identifying problems/issues = calling for change and accountability = peace. These are communication life skills we learn as children (or at least should have learned). And here you are with your 'hate' article which discourages that engagement. So...HOW do you expect change? Just asking.

So Merv. Consider taming your internal infernal of utter hatred and help us help the Pope to help us.

'WE' have a Pope! VIVA Pope Francis the 1st!

- M
This is absolutely uncalled for!
Comment by R Earl on 13th March 2013
Merv, this is a shameful,uncalled for,piece of hate. I am not a Catholic but I respect their right to elect a leader of their Church without having to hear or see this kind of journalistic garbage. By blackening the reputation of all Catholics, you are engaging in the very same kind of sin that you accuse them of. Why you have not been charged with promoting hate about a public group is beyond me.