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COMMENTARY · 19th October 2011
Merv Ritchie
IT IS THIS SIMPLE It has been a month today since the protests began.

The first thing everyone must understand is humanity cannot endure more conflict. Therefore we must find a quick and amicable solution which will meet the demands of everyone.

This must allow lives, families and society to continue without further hardship and allow everyone to maintain there own sense of dignity.

And it is very easy to do based on Occam's razor, also known as the Keep it Simple Sweetheart (KISS) process.

All people who watch and follow politics in democracies know this. Their representative is elected by a secret ballot by those who live in the region they will represent. They also must know that their elected representative cannot represent their wishes honestly. This is due to the implementation of the public vote in all legislative houses.

I completely trust, and so should all of mankind, that at least 70% of people will always do the right thing.

The reason the wrong thing is done most the time is because those who we elect to represent us do not get to represent our wishes by a secret ballot.

And when voting is open and public (in Canada the Parliamentarians are obligated to stand and call out their vote) they can be bribed with all sorts of rewards and if they do not do as they are told they can be punished.

It might take a generation to change the fortunes of everyone but with this one simple action, the secret ballot, we could turn the world around.

This is a three step process. First it must be demanded, second it must be made secure and monitored and third it must be properly represented and done immediately.

1) Everyone stay on the streets and demand the governments of the world institute an incorruptible secret ballot for every legislative house, at every level, in every nation.

2) Demand a paper ballot counted by people and watched by representatives of all sides to ensure the count is fair and accurate. No electronic programmable voting machines.

3) Demand all new elections with smaller areas for representation such that the people, the citizenry, can have a chance to get to know the representatives. In some cases this might require many more electoral areas.

As for using and counting paper ballots; Canada has a land mass greater than that of the United States with a population of close to 35 million people. The paper ballot system works and the vote is counted in mere hours. By the time the polls close on the west coast from the east (a three and a half hour difference) every province east of Ontario has already substantially completed the count. Even a Country like the USA with ten times the population should be able to accept a few hours of time to ensure their democracy is not corrupted.

There are examples to draw good concepts from. In the North West Territories of Canada they do not have acrimonious "Party Politics". The people vote for their representative and then all those elected choose from among their numbers who will be their spokesperson. This position is also selected by a secret ballot. This high post would be comparable to a Chairman, a President, Premier or a State Senator; those who are elected work together in the best interests of the people. One could ask why such a common sense concept hasn’t been employed since the beginning of democracy.

The answer to this is simple too. Those who wish to control nations, those who created all the hardships causing riots centuries ago, set up these "Houses of Commons". Even the name suggests a class structure; one house for commoners (who must display their vote publicly, and another house for the ruling lords. No wonder the damn thing never worked.

The chant should be the same as it was dozens of generations ago, "Secret Ballot or Death". No more chanting, "We are the 99%" or anything else.

We all know it has to change and we all see many problems. This one change will see a complete reversal of the way our governments run.

No more secret behind doors deals with laws passed by motions and committees without the true representatives having their secret ballots cast and counted. Governments "by the people and for the people" require this one change at all levels.

In Canadian Provinces the Premier can simply pass a new act of legislation by signing it into force in his office without even a debate. All these types of measures must cease to exist. We either have a democracy or we don`t. And currently the way all democracies work; Canada, the USA, Britain, France and yes even Greece, are as dictatorships dressed up to look like a democracy.

The argument used against this secret ballot is people need to know how their representative voted to hold them accountable. This is what the House of Lords told the gullible English peasant farmer. "Don’t you want to know how he voted, so you can kick him out next time if he didn’t vote the way you want?"

And yes, the early uneducated working man fell for it. So today we still have the system our great great grandparents fought against.

From this one simple foundational change the people can begin rebuilding the dreams of their nations. Without it we are doomed to the continual abuse of our civilizations by those who have the ability to manipulate the system with the public and very tightly controlled vote of our representatives.

Secret Ballot or Death.
Funny really.
Comment by Helmut Giesbrecht on 23rd October 2011
A right-of-center republican being quote by another who is right-of-center is actually funny.
Comment by Stacey Tyers on 23rd October 2011
Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism.
~Hubert H. Humphrey~
been there, done that
Comment by steve on 23rd October 2011
"Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of
want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

-Georges Clemanceau
Re: uh sheldon?
Comment by Sheldon Davidson on 22nd October 2011
steve smyth;

I have tore apart every single argument you have made.You have shown that you do not understand the issues of the banking system nor do you understand the complexity of the occupy movement and you ignorantly stereotype those in the movement as squatters. Continuing to debate you would be going in circles.

Thank you for making it very clear with me, and the rest of the community, that you support the assault of peaceful protesters exercising their basic human rights.

You may admire my passion but I deeply despise your lack of compassion. I hope you some day see the hypocrisy of your words.
uh sheldon?
Comment by steve smyth on 22nd October 2011
What part of "yes i do" don't you understand? you seemed smarter than that earlier.
do you support spending up to 3/4 of a million TAX dollars cleaning up after and policing an uninformed bunch of squatters?
ie today-"the run on the Canadian banks, shouting them down for being bailed out when in fact, no Canadian bank recieved a nickle of bailout money
Protest for the sake of attention grabbing, nothing else.
I admire your passion Sheldon, i wish you well.
RE: sorry Helmut
Comment by Sheldon Davidson on 22nd October 2011
Steve Smyth;

One more time, just so we are all clear on your views.

You would support the unlawful assault of peaceful protesters exercising their basic human rights to peacefully assemble. Is this correct?

I just want to make sure everyone is crystal clear on your views.

If that's your argument that "they cause trouble" then you've lost the debate.

Its also the opposite of what those who have died in the belly of bombers over Europe were fighting for. I think it's pretty clear who's side you are currently on.

Try harder next time, Steve.
Comment by Helmut Giesbrecht on 22nd October 2011
The article of the piece is "THE CLEAR SOLUTION TO THE OCCUPY WALL STREET REVOLUTION" to which you responded (let me remind you) "an even simpler solution - fire hoses". When challenges you invoke a discussion of every country run by a dictator of every stripe which engage in the very tactic you propose never once referring to your flippant suggestion which should be just a little extreme in a democratic society.

I think irrelevance is always the last charge of those who have engaged in an attempt to deflect the discussion. It is too transparent to work here.
sorry Helmut
Comment by Steve Smyth on 22nd October 2011
But its you that has become irrelevant in this particular conversation.

,,,Sheldon-the rest of George's brilliant monologue on human rights ended with the statement " you should be able to say whatever you want, and if I disagree, I should be able to shoot you" -No reasonable society would expect absolutely no limits on human rights. In order to prosper and grow, there have to be rules and order. Therefore I guess what we have is a structure of expectations and rules that we live by in order to prevent chaos and anarchy. Call them human rights, call them temporary privileges, but that's what we've got and we have to live within them.

Enslaved? perhaps, but we all sell ourselves to someone, whether it be a job, a religion or a cause. The only thing is that you get to negotiate how much your willing to be sold for.

My beef is with the professional protesters, particularly in Vancouver, who live there year round because of the mild weather, who appear at every media event and rant against the society that feeds them. They serve no purpose but to cause trouble.

To directly answer your question, yes I do think it would be justified. You made your point, now move on to change the world in an adult way.
Steve, what dissagreement?
Comment by Helmut Giesbrecht on 22nd October 2011
Frankly you don't know what we disagree on. I have not engaged in your irrelevant additions to our original conversation. My only suggestion was that "using fire hoses on the protestors" while making you feel good, would not in the long-term achieve a resolution to the problem. You haven't provided a single example of when such force actually provides a positive result.

Having made the flippant comment, you might have withdrawn it and saved face.
All the rest is shuffling around trying to clean up the egg on your face.
RE: i see so far that...
Comment by Sheldon Davidson on 21st October 2011
This is in regards to the comments by Steve Smyth.

You are correct in the fact that the police are spending many hours policing the peaceful protesters. Thanks for pointing that out as it shows that the police are wasting our tax dollars defending the banks from "18 year olds sleeping in tents" as you put it.

You are wrong, however, that the biggest beneficiary is the NY entrepreneur's. They are benefiting by providing necessities to peaceful protesters and the protesters are benefiting from having their needs met. I would hardly call providing what is necessary "greed".

The biggest beneficiary are the ones who have awakened to realize that we are enslaved to the banks. I don't believe that you have yet benefited.

Our rights may have been defended by those who died selflessly but they did not create those rights nor will they continue to defend your right to peacefully assemble as they are dead. The best way to defend our rights is to exercise them.

You quote George Carlin. If you ever actually listened to what he had to say then you would realize that his intention is to wake people up to the fact our rights are being stripped. If he read what you wrote he would surely roll over in his grave. If he were alive he would tell you that you do in fact have the ability to change the world.

You have dodged the question that I asked. I will ask it again:

Are you implying that these people, peaceful activists, should be stripped of their human right to peacefully assemble by use of water cannons?

What it appears you are suggesting is that we accept the fact that we are slaves and forget about exercising our human rights as it is a lost cause. This is our disagreement.

"Personally when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true: either we have unlimited rights, or we have no rights at all"
-George Carlin

Which do you agree with, Steve?
i see so far that...
Comment by Steve Smyth on 21st October 2011
The administration and policing costs for the occupy Vancouver sit in, whatever you want to call it, are now north of 550,000$ and climbing. That is real money that will not be spent on DTES residents or the really needy.

Oddly enough, The biggest beneficiary so far of the NY sit in are the capitalist entreprenuers who are running food from local deli and pizza joints into the camp, who are also making money. I love entrepreneurial spirit, theres that little bit of greed again.

,,,Helmut-Im not concerned about patience, winters coming, nature is good at cleaning up a mess.

,,,Sheldon-I firmly believe in the right of peaceful assembly, that right was won by 18 year olds lying in the bellys of bombers over the North Atlantic and occupied Europe, not by aimless camping and malcontents living off the society they profess to despise.

Geo. Carlin has a good line on "rights", to paraphrase, "if you think you have "inalienable rights" that are God given look up "Japanese Internment Camp" on Google. You will find we don't have rights but a set of temporary priveleges that society gives you.

Sorry we disagree, but sleeping in a tent blocking public access does not change the world.
Steve again.
Comment by Helmut Giesbrecht on 21st October 2011
So how do you think turning the fire hoses on the protestors would have worked given we know about the excessive force on the G8 Summit and the famous pepper spray incident? How did force work for Gadhafi? This is about using force when a little patience doesn't create the fall out.

Why Stevie would I ever debate forms of government or governance styles with you?
RE: Helmut, dear Helmut
Comment by Sheldon Davidson on 20th October 2011
This is in regards to the comments by Steve Smyth.

We are very fortunate to be born where we are, however, we are very far from being the 1%

If you were not born into the right family then you are the 99%. The 1% are the billionaires and the ones who are beyond the want for money.

The Rothschild family is the perfect example of the 1%. The Rothschild family holds the monopoly of wealth on this planet. They own all of the major banks. Their wealth transcends currency as they are the ones who create it.

You talk about the opportunity that capitalism brings. The only opportunity that I see is the enslavement of all citizens of any country that has a debt to the banks. I also see capitalism brings opportunity to get maced and arrested by police for exercising your right to peacefully assemble. Many have been arrested while peacefully protesting.

...Meanwhile, no bankers have been arrested for usery or fraud or anything else.

I don't think you realize, Steve, that the national debt cannot be paid off due to the huge amounts of compound interest being tacked onto the debt. This amounts to what is essentially slavery. If we are forced to pay a debt that will only grow larger and have no other choice than to pay it you are a slave. Its as simple as that. Meanwhile the bankers pay no taxes.

You speak of Africa, China and East Europe - they are the 99% as well. We may have higher quality of life (to say the least) but we are not the 1% that holds all the wealth.

Your argument of making everyone equally poor is a bad attitude. There is enough wealth to go around. People do not need to be slaves to the banks or starve to death just because of "a little bit of greed" as you say.

In all seriousness - what was your comment about the fire hoses really about? Are you implying that these people, peaceful activists, should be stripped of their human right to peacefully assemble by use of water cannons?

Communism doesn't/didn't work
Comment by Stacey Tyers on 20th October 2011
But Social Democracy on the other hand is working quite well in several countries.
Helmut, dear Helmut
Comment by Steve Smyth on 20th October 2011
“Today • I wrote a tongue-in-cheek response to your suggestion that they use fire hoses on the protestors. You missed the point, maybe deliberately.”

I didn’t miss your point, perhaps you missed mine

The point of your comment, the way I read it, was that if the law of the land was upheld by evicting the “protest everything” squatters that it would go badly for the powers that evicted them as in what happened to the Tsar who ordered the firing. What happened eventually, as we all know, was the October Revolution, which I pointed out, didn’t work out so well for Russia.

“ Your trying to turn or deflect this into a debate on communism. I'm not interested.”

Nope, not a debate, there is no debating communism, It doesn’t/didn’t work

The point again is that on March 11, 1917 the Tsar ordered his army to fire on the protestors snip how did it work for the Russian people?

As mentioned above, did not work out for Russia, or the Czechs, or Romanians for that matter.

Did you see what happened when they tried the Occupy Mumbai? Or Bejing? The protests fizzled. Why did they fizzle? Because those people recognize and want a market driven economy, they want the opportunities that capitalism brings.

Lets face it Helmut, you, me and almost everyone in this country won a gold lottery ticket when we were born here. We are the 1% in the world and the 99%, whether in Africa, Rural China, or eastern Europe, would trade places with us in a New York minute. A little greed is good, it’s what gets most people out of bed in the morning, its what makes the world go round and pays the bills.

It has been proven over and over, you cannot make a poor man rich by taking it from the rich man, . The only thing you can succeed in doing is making everybody equally poor.
Words convey your opinion, actions create what you choose
Comment by Denis Gagne on 20th October 2011

Some of us live like princes
Some of us live like queens
Most of us live just like me
We don't know what it means

To take our place in one world
To make our peace in one world
To make our way in one world
To have our say in one world

If you ain't got two words to say
Then I can't talk to you
No use crying, there's been no crime
I say it's just the way the wind blows

Just the name of the game
The way of the world, way of the world
Just the way of the world
Just the way of the world

So cold and lonely
Cold and lonely
Cold and lonely world
( Sting)
To Steve Smyth
Comment by Helmut Giesbrecht on 20th October 2011
I wrote a tongue-in-cheek response to your suggestion that they use fire hoses on the protestors. You missed the point, maybe deliberately. Your trying to turn or deflect this into a debate on communism. I'm not interested.

The point again is that on March 11, 1917 the Tsar ordered his army to fire on the protestors. Hundreds were killed. The result was that the Tsar and all his family were killed. So the question I asked is: How did the same lack of restraint work for him? And, since you mentioned it, how did it work for the Russian people?

I hope that is clear.
Re: Tilting windmills
Comment by Sheldon Davidson on 20th October 2011
Mr Peters, based on your provided personal information you are one of the "99%".

You may not want to help others but rest assured that those who are the OWS movement have the intention of helping you.
Not everyone who is low income is lazy.
Comment by Stacey Tyers on 19th October 2011
This is a myth. People with disabilities through government funding are not lazy. Pensioners who got screwed by crazy inflation are not lazy.

Some people work very hard at low paying jobs, 2 or 3 of them to keep a roof over their families head and food on their table. And people will then judge them for not spending enough time with their children. Not everyone can be self employeed, not everyone can be rich, not everyone can be even middle class.

The reality is, yes there will always be rich and poor, must it be SO rich and SO poor? That is the point. Yes, there are some people with a strong sense of entitlement. Then there are those people who fight every ounce of their pride to ask for help. They use that help to get the hand up not the hand out.

Regardless I refuse to allow those with a sense of entitlement to dictate my opinions on all people. Generalizing, stereotyping and assumptions just make things worse. There are some born into money and some who have worked long hard hours for what they get. The same goes for the poor.

With every ounce of my being and hard work, I refuse to live with it.
Tilting windmills
Comment by Mr. Peters on 19th October 2011
When I was younger I actively tried to help those that were less fortunate then I. I got tired of trying to turn people into something that they could never be, people that were motivated to better themselves. I have gotten older and perhaps more cynical. I have become a realist. In this country with all the advantages that we have, there is absolutely no excuse why someone has to go without food or shelter. If a person wants to they can.

Before someone starts to label me as some elitist, here is some personal information. I came from a third world country, I grew up in a single family (father was killed when I was 15), I worked my way through universities without any loans. There was many a time that I went to bed without any food, but I did not allow my circumstance determine what I would become.
Re:nothing will change
Comment by Apocalypse Now on 19th October 2011
Yes Rudy ,buying things we cant actually afford is not a good Idea,and nobody begrudges a person being rich if they made it honestly, but when brokers package worthless mortgages together and sell them to pension funds and other banks and make hefty profits on worthless paper, and then get bailed out by taxpayer money when the cause the economy to collapse ,then I have a problem with the inequality. And to top it off million dollar bonuses to the people who caused the collapse. This is why there are all these occupy wall street scenarios. Things can change. Some people riot when their favorite hockey team loses the cup,Some riot when their life savings are squandered out of no doing of their own. I admire the people who occupy all the cities around the world. Change is good Donkey.
Who says there is no equality.
Comment by Helmut Giesbrecht on 19th October 2011
“The law in its infinite majesty forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets and to steal bread" - Anatole France.

I once had a minister explain to me that the whole idea of helping the poor through political action was hopeless because some scripture passage said, "the poor you shall always have with you." or something like that. I then checked and sure enough it is there but taken the context it was no excuse to do nothing.

If we accept the notion that "There will always be rich people and there will always be poor people, live with it." then nothing will ever change. Living with it is a cop out. Yes people will always be rich and people will always be poor but, do they have to be rich BECAUSE others are poor? Child born in poverty have to remain in poverty because of the accident of where and to whom he/she was born. If we can't find a way to reduce poverty we have failed as a society. We are called to do more than "live with it".
RE: Nothing will change.
Comment by Sheldon Davidson on 19th October 2011
This is in response to Mr. Peters comments.

To say that "there's nothing you can do to make it change" is a very poor attitude.

Once you come to realize that attitude is everything then you will realize that things are already beginning to change and that change is completely inevitable.

Before the OWS movement things were changing for the worse.

At the absolute very least the OWS movement has awaken many people who now realize that there's a difference between becoming rich and becoming an elitist megalomaniac. So yes, there has already been change.

Yes, the inequity is definitely our own making but only because of poor attitudes like yours, Mr Peters.

I am content with what I have. Unfortunately the "1%" is not content with what they have. The banks are committing unlawful usery on our governments, which in turn, is usery on the people.

If you were to go out and commit the same fraud the banks are committing you'd surely be found guilty in a court of law.

It's very obvious that you don'd understand the concepts of fractal banking and fiat currencies, Mr Peters. I suggest you do your homework.
Nothing will change.
Comment by Mr. Peters on 19th October 2011
Stacey there is not a thing you can do to make it change because it will never change. There has always been "inequity" among humans and that will always remain. You can not take a person who is not motivated to better him/herself and then magically turn them into a motivated business starter, it just does not happen.

This "inequity" is a large part our own making. I want what my neighbor has and the bank will lend me money to buy it, so I do. If we were content with what we have instead of wanting what we do not have, a lot of unnecessary debt would be alimented and thus reducing this "inequity".

There will ALWAYS be rich people and there will ALWAYS be poor people, live with it.
Then what?
Comment by Stacey Tyers on 19th October 2011
Wht will make it change Steve? What can we do to change the complete inequity of it all?

Surely fire hoses aren't going to change it either.
Comment by Steve Smyth on 19th October 2011
Are you suggesting a Red October? a Bolshevik Revolution? because to use your quote "it worked out so well for Russia"

Communism has been tried and been found to be unsustainable and or unworkable everywhere it has been tried. You cannot make poor people rich by taking it away from rich people, it just doesn't work either. While I do agree that the financial mess we are in was caused by greed, the "usual suspects" camping on a lawn will not make that change.
Steve, such restraint!
Comment by Helmut Giesbrecht on 19th October 2011
I'm surprised you're not advocating a repeat of March 11, 1917. It worked so well for the Tsar.
an even simpler solution
Comment by Steve Smyth on 19th October 2011
Fire hoses
I`ll drink to that!
Comment by blocky bear on 19th October 2011
A solution so close a person could reach out and touch it! Paper ballot....yeah!! d.b.