CONTRIBUTION · 20th February 2012
I am not a doctor. I am a regular person that believes there are two sides to every story and two sets of facts presented to people in order for them to make their own informed decisions.
Firstly, stating that fluoride has never put anyone in the hospital seems a bit extreme. It's highly unlikely you will "overdose" from the fluoridation of water, but there are several documented cases over the last 30 years, of poisoning and sickness directly linked to fluoride found in the water supply. Beyond that, it's the long term affects that are to be a real health concern. Brain development issues impairing learning and memory, excessive fluoride build up in the kidneys, are just a few damaging results.
More and more communities in Canada are voting to remove fluoride from the drinking water due to its harmful effects. They are also taking into consideration how this could impact oral health, and making provisions to "help families who can't afford fluoride toothpaste, rather than medicating the entire population." This statement is quoted from the February 8th, 2011 edition of CBC news Calgary. An article outlining Calgary's vote to stop the use of fluoride in their water can be read here;. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2011/02/08/calgary-fluoride-city-water-supply-removal.html
Another great point in this article is the cost incurred by adding fluoride to the water. Why would we pay to poison our water when that money could be invested in dental or medical programs to promote health???
Fluoride is not only a by-product of industrial waste, it is a mutagenic compound. Lab results have shown many compounds that are mutagenic cause cancer.
All I ask is that people review the facts. If I am not mistaken, people once thought smoking cigarettes wasn't hazardous to their health either.
If someone had the time to do the research?
Comment by Merv Ritchie on 23rd February 2012
Here is the real question regarding the water supply in the City of Terrace.
With the addition of two chemicals; fluoride and chlorine, to the already existing extremely high (borderline) content of magnesium from the wells drilled at Frank Street [http://www.terracedaily.ca/show3105a300x300y1z/CREWS_BEGIN_CONNECTING_NEW_WATER_WELLS] - what compounds and new elements are produced? When -A) boiled -B) vaporized ie; showers -C ) consumption, short and long term -D) effects on watered plants.
The City also has a very high calcium content that builds up in the piping and at times chunks break off the interior walls. (Note the white ring in pots when boiling water?)
What does this do to the above results?
And then of course their is an entire mix of old asbestos and other piping materials under the streets of Terrace. Some have considered this material to be a potential cause of nerve disorders.
Personally I would prefer to see a 36 inch diameter pipe laid from Terrace up stream on both the Kalum River and Skeena, to develop enough head pressure (200 feet of elevation would deliver about 80 psi everywhere) to feed the entire community clean pure natural NW un-manipulated drinking water.
No pumps, no electricity, no treatment, no worries. If a citizen wanted to install their own ultra violet or chlorine drip, (or fluoride) that would be their prerogative.
We won't hold our breath for common sense to take hold. Or for anyone to do the full research on the combined affects of all these elements being added to the water.
re: fluoride naturally
Comment by Katryna Durdle on 23rd February 2012
I apologize for being unclear, fluoride is naturally found in minerals such rocks and soil. What I was trying to convey is the fluoride added to our water does not come from these sources. It is added where city water is processed. Most likely from a unnatural source. I think its unfair to say I am "fear mongering" because I am stating facts and my own personal opinion on the subject. I am not stating "facts" from wikipedia. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and just because sources are stated, doesn't mean that information came from those sources. For more info on wikipedia's reliability:
If you want to quote "pro" fluoride statements, using something credible, Health Canada may have been a better argument: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/environ/fluor-eng.php
As you digest these recent points, have a look at the following videos via youtube for studies done on fluoride:
Comment by Karen on 23rd February 2012
"Fluoride is usually found naturally in low concentration in drinking water and foods. The concentration in seawater averages 1.3 parts per million (ppm). Fresh water supplies generally contain between 0.01–0.3 ppm, whereas the ocean contains between 1.2 and 1.5 ppm" In India excessive naturally occuring flouride is leaching from rock and making millions sick from contaminated well water. This is probably where this scare came from - such problems are not occuring here with local levels being constantly monitored and controlled.
You do have a choice, don't drink out of the tap. If you are concerned about the amount you may be injesting here are some more suggestions:
"•Don't take fluoride supplements.
•Read labels on bottled beverages.
Unless they are made using distilled or reverse- osmosis water, they are probably made with fluoridated public water.
•Consider using unfluoridated toothpaste.
•Avoid drinking black or red tea.
There are many health benefits associated with chemical compounds found in tea, but this may be a beverage to avoid if you need to reduce your fluorine intake. Black and red tea come from two different types of plants, but both leaves naturally contain high amounts of fluorine.
•Be wary of tinned fish and canned food items.
Fluoride may be used as a preservative.
•Avoid black or red rock salt or items containing black or red rock salt.
•Avoid using chewing tobacco.
•Avoid long term use of medication that contains fluorine.
Certain antidepressants and medications for osteoporosis contain fluorine"
I have no intent of swaying anyone from managing their intake of flouride but fear mongering without knowing the facts can be very counter-productive.
Common Sense is not the issue at hand...
Comment by Katryna Durdle on 22nd February 2012
Fluoride is a man-made chemical, a by-product of industrial waste. It is not naturally occurring. Ever. Anywhere.
The point that is being missed here is that we do not have a choice whether or not we ingest fluoride, it is in the water system. End of story. Personally, I'd like a chose what goes into my body, so I can grow strong, and continue to be healthy. If others disagree, that's fine, but if a choice was provided, everyone could be personally given the option based on their views, rather than having a choice forced upon them.
Comment by Karen on 21st February 2012
Interesting: "Health Canada, the Canadian Medical Association, the Canadian Paediatric Society, the Canadian Dental Association, the American Dental Association, the World Health Organization, the U.S. Public Health Service and its Centers for Disease Control, and the Fédération Dentaire Internationale, all of which continue to endorse the practice along with almost every dentist and physician in BC."
In order to grow strong and remain healthy the human body requires a multitude of minerals and chemicals, many of which are naturally occuring in our environment and/or produced by the body. Many, such as iron, calcium, potassium, sodium and even water to name a few, if occuring or injested in extreme levels, can cause serious disease and even death. Flouride is just one more of these things that can be very beneficial if occuring in recommended levels and harmful if not.
This reminds me of the fear that immunizing your children can cause autism or that cancer can be fought by injesting hydrogen peroxide - both derived from fear mongering and a lack of legitimate research and common sense.
Comment by Randy Halyk on 21st February 2012
Fluoride is present in our environment in large quantities in this region.
it's about choice
Comment by mbw on 21st February 2012
I don't get it.
Aside from the documented fact that a (significant) majority of (progressive) communities have got with the times and removed fluoride from their public water supplies not only in BC, but across North America and Europe, why can't we teach people to brush their teeth and stop drinking juice & pop to prevent dental caries?
Nope - let's feed what is considered by many scientists & biologic dentists a poison to everyone for the sake of a few, rather than educating people.
And hey - be real careful because cutting back on liquid sugar products may increase your health in other ways. We wouldn't want that- it could impact the pharmaceutical drug industry in a negative way.
Blows my mind.
(Not to speak of the fact that Terrace water makes the most disgusting cup of tea - strange film floating on top, hard-to-remove dark rings in the cup and a lovely bleach smell on certain days.)
re: dental care
Comment by Katryna Durdl on 21st February 2012
A great majority of cities and communities in North America has removed fluoride from their water systems. We have yet to see reports of an epidemic in tooth decay, or a ruling to reinstate fluoride use.
I agree processed foods and the chemicals involved in making them are a serious issue, but we CHOOSE to eat these items, we are not given this luxury when it comes to the quality and contents of our tap water. So I could choose not to drink it, then what? I buy bottled water, which most likely contains fluoride, and other chemicals. Then I am hurting the environment by endlessly buying bottled water because I need water to live, being a human being and all.
Finally, I growing up, my town use fluoride in their water supply. I brushed my teeth, drank milk for the first ten years of life (then became lactose intolerant) and my teeth are quite healthy. I don't believe fluoride is why my teeth turned out healthy.
When you drink a glass of water, it maybe hits your teeth for a fraction of a second. Good personal hygiene and disciple to brush your teeth gives you healthy teeth, not drinking water with fluoride.
Comment by amber on 21st February 2012
There are programs in place for low income families to receive the same dental care the rest of the population receives...we do live in Canada...public health care for everybody.
Since when does the end justify the means anyway? Poisoning a whole population for the few that do not take advantage of what is available seems drastic and un-necessary
The consumption of processed foods and fast foods concerns me as well, but at least I am able to make the decision to avoid feeding that to my family.
Comment by Karen on 21st February 2012
As a child I had flouride drops put in my milk every day...I have excellent teeth as do my 5 siblings, where neither parent can boast the same. Using a flouride toothpaste does little to help build strong teeth in children who's teeth have yet to show. which is when flouride does the most good.
It would be a very sad thing to see the extent of tooth decay we see in lower income people in Britian become prominant here in Canada. If you are against flouridating the public water supply, don't drink the water - the amount you would injest through washing is miniscule.
If I were you I'd be more concerned about processed foods and the multitude of chemicals used to preserve, clean, add colour and increase production than something that actually does help a large protion of the population. These have been suspected of causing cancer as well.
Many people can't afford dental care as it is, why exacerbate that problem?